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duncan1574(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:53 am Post subject: Top Dog race

Since in PITA's own words, We are scattered all over the 'WORLD' (Aussies).

I suggest that we setup some parameters: course length, number of turns,

turn direction, etc, etc, etc.  Races should perhaps have more than one

aircraft. Results posted on YAK-LIST? Entry fee collected through the RPA

store somehow.  Purse net based upon total collected with a chunk going to

the RPA.



Russ "AirBoss" WItte-Dycus

cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: Top Dog race

Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting cold hard green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he realizes how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.



Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260 hp Housi 6 in the airplane.



Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!



Pappy 

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rick(at)rvairshows.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:54 am Post subject: Top Dog race

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. Rick Volker

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom:  cjpilot710(at)aol.com 

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Yak-List: Top Dog race

 Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he=  realizes how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.

   Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260=  hp Housi 6 in the airplane.

   Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!

   Pappy 

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radiopicture

Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 263

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:04 am Post subject: Top Dog race

DOH!!!!

On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick(at)rvairshows.com (rick(at)rvairshows.com) wrote:

[quote] Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. 

Rick Volker

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom:  cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) 

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Re: Top Dog race

 Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.

  

 Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp Housi 6 in the airplane.

  

 Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!

  

 Pappy 

 

 

 

 

 

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: Top Dog race

Good answer.  



Mark Bitterlich

 



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:20 am Post subject: Top Dog race

Pappy, was that the 50 or the 52?  The 52 is painfully slow.  For some

reason, some folks think the 50 and the 52 perform about the same.  Did

you actually walk right away from a 50 when it was WFO ???



Mark Bitterlich

 



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

If we are going to do that then lets add the ¾ scale F4U Corsair with the

M-14 in the nose?



It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We’ll see.



 



Doc



 



From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:57 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



DOH!!!!



 



 



On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick(at)rvairshows.com wrote:



Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. 

Rick Volker



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com 



Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400



To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>



Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard

green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how

wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.



 



Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp

Housi 6 in the airplane.



 



Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!



 



Pappy 



 



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Answer...No he did not. 

Doc



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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this sweet earth.  The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one.  What is the Vne of the 50?

   Pappy

 

 

   

 

 

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gyoung

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 211
Location: Republic of Texas

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Do you have a contact or any info on the Corsair? I've got one like it in

the design stage and would love to talk to them.

 

Regards,

Greg Young

 

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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:39 PM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Top Dog race



If we are going to do that then lets add the ¾ scale F4U Corsair with the

M-14 in the nose?



It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We’ll see.



 



Doc



 



From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:57 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



DOH!!!!



 



 



On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick(at)rvairshows.com wrote:



Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. 

Rick Volker



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com 



Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400



To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>



Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard

green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how

wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.



 



Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp

Housi 6 in the airplane.



 



Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!



 



Pappy 



 



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radiopicture

Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 263

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:16 am Post subject: Top Dog race

Doc, isn't that different, though? The Bear 360 was designed by Yakovlev himself. Did he design (or reverse engineer) the Vendeneyev engine?



[quote][quote]



If we are going to do that then lets add the ¾ scale F4U Corsair with the M-14 in the nose?

It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We’ll see.

 

Doc

 



 

DOH!!!!

 



 

On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick(at)rvairshows.com (rick(at)rvairshows.com) wrote:





Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. 

Rick Volker



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)



Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400



To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)>



Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.



 



Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp Housi 6 in the airplane.



 



Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!



 

Pappy 



 

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Not that I’m aware of. I may be wrong but I thought the Vendeneyev was a

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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall

Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:15 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



Doc, isn't that different, though? The Bear 360 was designed by Yakovlev

himself. Did he design (or reverse engineer) the Vendeneyev engine?



 



 



If we are going to do that then lets add the ¾ scale F4U Corsair with the

M-14 in the nose?



It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We’ll see.



 



Doc



 



 



DOH!!!!



 



 



On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick(at)rvairshows.com wrote:

Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. 

Rick Volker



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com



Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400



To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>



Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard

green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how

wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.



 



Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp

Housi 6 in the airplane.



 



Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!



 



Pappy 



 



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wlannon(at)persona.ca
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Whether built in Russia or Romania the M14 is a  derivative of the Ivchenko series. The Chinese, Polish and Czech built  versions are as well.

 Rumour has it that the original Ivchenko was a copy  of a 1930's German BMW radial but who knows?

 Walt 

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richard.goode(at)russiana
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: Top Dog race

No,only a rumour.The design work,begun in  1945 by A G Ivchenko,was original.But,like any other designer,I'm sure he used  the best ideas from others he might have heard about.Vedenyeev took over the  design responsibilities when Ivchenko went over to jet engines  only.

 Richard

  

 Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5  3LW

United Kingdom

  

 Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544  340129

www.russianaeros.com



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radiopicture

Joined: 23 Jun 2008
Posts: 263

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: Top Dog race

The point of this thread being: The Bear 360 is a Yakovlev design, and such a characteristic cannot be attributed to another aircraft just because it has an M-14P on it. It was suggested that the Bear 360 qualified because of its Yakovlev pedigree. Now if we could find one.



On Mar 28, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Richard Goode wrote:

[quote]No,only a rumour.The design work,begun in 1945 by A G Ivchenko,was original.But,like any other designer,I'm sure he used the best ideas from others he might have heard about.Vedenyeev took over the design responsibilities when Ivchenko went over to jet engines only.

Richard

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5 3LW

United Kingdom

 

Tel:   +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax:  +44 (0) 1544 340129

www.russianaeros.com



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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Didn't think so. 

  

 Mark

 



--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com> wrote:



 [quote]

From: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

Subject: RE: Top Dog race

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 5:42 PM



 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)>



Answer...No he did not. 

Doc



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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

Really?  When was that?   I have a 1974 Yak 50 sitting here in my hangar.  You had your stock CJ before then?   

  

 If equipped with the 500 kmph indicator, the maximum allowed speed (Vne) is 470 kmph, and that translates to just under 300 mph, .... actually 292 mph.  That is out of the YAK-50 flight manual.  

  

 What's the Vne on that CJ-6 Pappy?  Anywhere near 300 mph?  Just curious.  

  

 Mark 

  

 p.s.  From the same manual:  "At an engine power setting of 99% on a M-14P equipped YAK-50, the 'near the ground' maximum sustained speed is 198 mph.  Mine does 200 mph, but hey... I am also turned up a tad over 99%.  And.... airspeed indicators can be off just a tiny bit now and then.     But over a course averaging both ways, it came out to 201 mph.  

  

  

 



--- On Fri, 3/26/10, cjpilot710(at)aol.com <cjpilot710(at)aol.com> wrote:



 [quote]

From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com <cjpilot710(at)aol.com>

Subject: Re: Top Dog race

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 10:39 PM



  Back when I had the 260 in my CJ there were only 52s on this sweet earth.  The Bear 360 is an aborigine- only one.  What is the Vne of the 50?

 Pappy

 

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:36 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

I do and will give it to you off list.  I just took a bunch of pictures of a

Goodyear F4U at the Maxwell Air Show today. Have to down load them still.



 



Doc



 



From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Young

Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:50 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Top Dog race



 



Do you have a contact or any info on the Corsair? I've got one like it in

the design stage and would love to talk to them.



 



Regards,

Greg Young



 



 



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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:39 PM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Top Dog race



If we are going to do that then lets add the ¾ scale F4U Corsair with the

M-14 in the nose?



It will be part YAK too. They are saying 250 kts cruise. We’ll see.



 



Doc



 



From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wobschall

Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:57 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



DOH!!!!



 



 



On Mar 26, 2010, at 9:53 AM, rick(at)rvairshows.com wrote:



 



Maybe you should allow the Bear 360 in the race. It is a Yak design. 

Rick Volker



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



  _____  



From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com 



Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:46:27 -0400



To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>



Subject: Re: Top Dog race



 



Naaaaaaa.  I want to stand there and watch the loser putting col= d hard

green backs in my hand and giggle at his wimpy tears when he= realizes how

wimpy his little "drag bucket" is.



 



Guys I used to have to reduce power for the Yaks when I had the 260= hp

Housi 6 in the airplane.



 



Guys! the gauntlet is laying there!



 



Pappy 



 



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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

CJ were first built in 1962.  I saw a (what was than called a "Yak 18R") or Yak-50 at the world acro competition in England in 1972 (or 74?).  I believe I still have a 35mm slide of it.  My CJ( a 69) came to the US in 94.  It was only in here a month or so when I bought it.  I was not personally aware of a Yak 50 being in country at that time.  There may have been one but I willing to bet not before 1972 or 74.

    

   The Vne on the CJ is 217mph.

    

   We all know any airplane can go fast in a dive.  The race should be about straight and level - full throttle - max RPM.  If you want to compete straight off the line plain vanilla examples to me , or stock, would be to me more approbate.  The rest is fluff as they say.

    

   Pappy

 

 

   

 

 

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Dabear(at)damned.org
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: Top Dog race

There is a guyin the DC area who is  building/designing an 80% scale F4U.  He actually reverse engineered the  landing gear including the contraction and rotation.  he spoke at our local  EAA meeting.  Nice job from what I've seen.

  

 Bear

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