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rickofudall

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Has anyone come up with a seat for the Mk IIIC that offer more support than the sling seat? I'm getting cramps in my right thigh and haven't been able to find a position that relieves cramp. I've been looking at the molded seats at Jegs and thought I might as well inquire of the forum members to see if anyone else has already come up with better seating. I have the upholstery insert from Kolb that velcros in but it doesn't offer anything but a little padding. This is the seat I've been thinking about

http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/JEGS-Pro-High-Back-Race-Seats-Seat-Covers/763085/10002/-1

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Thanks,

Rick Girard

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Why not just put an aluminum sheet across the bottom and  then use the sling for the back. You could could then use Tempra (type) foam for  the bottom. Much lighter. 

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rickofudall

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:03 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

I almost feel guilty saying this, but my leg hurt so much after 45 minutes on Saturday, I really don't care if a seat weighs 20lb. Lightness doesn't do me any good if I can't fly for pain. Getting rid of the sling back is the second objective. I've straightened the top bar so many times it has all the stiffness of warm dog exhaust.

 



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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com (lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com)> wrote:

 [quote]       Why not just put an aluminum sheet across the bottom and  then use the sling for the back. You could could then use Tempra (type) foam for  the bottom. Much lighter. 

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Has anyone come up with a seat for the Mk IIIC that offer more support than  the sling seat? 

  

  Thanks,

 Rick Girard



 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 Rick

  

 I bought some seats that come out of a piper  tomahawk.   there were some rollers  used for moving the for and  aft,  that I removed.    and the pins that hold the seat in  the for and aft position,,,  I use to take the seat in and out  quickly.  they couple into some brackets I made and welded in  place.    

  

 just for fun.  the fbo had a seat out of a Cessna 150  that I trial fit.  they would have been a second choice.  I cant  remember now what type of brackets I would have had to build.

  

 I know I have taken some pictures but cant find them right  a way.   probably on the old computer.

  

 Boyd Young 

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:18 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Getting rid of the sling back is the second  objective. I've straightened the....>

  

 dont you guys have the upholstered seats that Kolb  issued. Very smart with the logo.  As for bending the bar....what do you  do?. i weigh 210 lbs  straight out of the shower so I reckon at least  another 20lbs for clothes  and I couldn`t bend the bar if I jumped on  it.

  

 Cheers

  

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Rick,

  

   I had one of those molded plastic seats that Jeg's sells.  It was the standard issue seat that the Wizard ultralight (looks like a Quicksilver) came with.

   The seat is double walled, very sturdy, and also quite heavy.  It would be a chalenge to get it installed into your MkIII properly, but I know you could handle it.   However!!!!.....

  

   Personally, if it were me, I'd be looking to make my own custom fiberglass drop-in shell.  

 You could then use the Kolb seat cushion, and it ought to work "mightly fine". 

   (Essentially, this is what TNK sells for the Xtra.  That might also be a possibility, but it may need some trimming, too.)

  

   I'd probably drop the actual seat mold shell down a little, so I could come back in with a glued in layer of the temperfoam.

  

   Although you might be able to use that Jeg's seat, I think you'd have to cut it up quite a bit, in addition to some MkIII surgery.

  

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Has anyone come up with a seat for the Mk IIIC that offer more support than the sling seat? I'm getting cramps in my right thigh and haven't been able to find a position that relieves cramp. I've been looking at the molded seats at Jegs and thought I might as well inquire of the forum members to see if anyone else has already come up with better seating. I have the upholstery insert from Kolb that velcros in but it doesn't offer anything but a little padding. This is the seat I've been thinking about

 



 http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/JEGS-Pro-High-Back-Race-Seats-Seat-Covers/763085/10002/-1

 [url=http://www.jegs.com/p/JEGS/JEGS-Pro-High-Back-Race-Seats-Seat-Covers/763085/10002/-1][/url]

 



 Thanks,

 Rick Girard

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:21 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

In  re seats -- Ken Brock made up a seat-tank years ago that held 5  

gallons or more. Sounds like a good idea, tho it must be COLD in the  

winter.

Someone must have tried this? Good or bad?



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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Boyd, Real aircraft seats, well that's one I hadn't thought of.Pat, We're about the same weight, I wonder if my Mk III being an early model, the tubing is a thinner wall than what's made now. All I know is that it's been bending since I bought the airplane and I'm tired of straightening it.

 Mike, I was afraid of that, simple solutions rarely are.

Russ, There's a brace behind the seat that would most likely prevent using the Brock seat.

I thank you all, I shall have to do some more research.

 



Rick

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 5:18 PM, russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com (russkinne(at)mac.com)> wrote:

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 In  re seats -- Ken Brock made up a seat-tank years ago that held 5 gallons or more. Sounds like a good idea, tho it must be COLD in the winter.

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Dana

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

At 06:18 PM 4/5/2010, russ kinne wrote:

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 In  re seats -- Ken Brock made up a seat-tank years ago that held 5  

 gallons or more. Sounds like a good idea, tho it must be COLD in the  

 winter.

 Someone must have tried this? Good or bad? 	


 I almost bought a seat tank for my UltraStar, but then I sat in one in my friend's gyrocopter.  I don't know how cold it is, but it's not terribly comfortable.  Decided to keep the existing (comfortable) fiberglass seat and install a custom aluminum tank behind the seat.



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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Rick,

 I'll take some pictures of the set up in my MK-3,not of my doing but comfortable.I think Russ Kinne

 

   was a passenger one time.

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ASchlem

Joined: 21 Mar 2010
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Seats for a MkIIIC

There is a post out there where a guy used seats out of a Rans S6/7. He had some good photos of the install.  Also his setup was adjustable.

ASchlem

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Seats for a MkIIIC

Here is a link to his site. http://www.kilocharlie.us/Kolb%20history.htm The seat info is about half way down the page

rickofudall

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Thanks, I appreciate it.



Rick

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:23 PM,  <zeprep251(at)aol.com (zeprep251(at)aol.com)> wrote:

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 I'll take some pictures of the set up in my MK-3,not of my doing but comfortable.I think Russ Kinne

 

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Richard Pike

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Seats for a MkIIIC

I know what ya mean about bending that tube. I replaced mine with one that had a LOT more wall thickness. Cured that -



Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for her.



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rickofudall

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

You don't post your name but I do appreciate the lead, so thanks ASchlem.



Rick

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Thanks, Richard.



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 I know what ya mean about bending that tube. I replaced mine with one that had a LOT more wall thickness. Cured that -

 

 Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for her.

  

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Seats for a MkIIIC

You don't post your name but I do appreciate the lead, so thanks ASchlem

Sorry, new to the group. My name is Aaron. I'm working on a MarkIIIX

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

At 06:43 PM 4/5/10 -0700, you wrote:

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Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit 
	


pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under 

her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for 

her.

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Richard, & Richard,



I like my full sling seat.  I am short legged, and so at first I used a lot 

of padding to move my self forward so that I could reach the rudder pedals.  

Then I realized that, if I released the material from the lower rear cross 

tube and hiked up the back it would form a true sling seat that would 

automatically slide me forward.  It almost worked too well, in that I 

slipped too far forward, and I had to remember to push my self back in the 

seat.



Although I could reach the rudder pedals ok, I found that after an hour 

flight, I staggered like a drunk upon arrival.  The front cross piece was 

cutting into the back of my legs and cutting off the circulation.  To get 

around this problem I made a cheek board and some padding to raise my cheeks 

a sufficient amount to get the pressure off my legs and to prevent the 

problem.  Currently, the whole works weighs a little over 1.5 pounds.



A true sling seat has a tendency to let your rear end swing around a little 

in rough air. I found a five point set belt and shoulder harness seems to be 

the answer to this problem, and it also prevents you from sliding forward 

during the flight.



How the cheek board was made can be seen at:



http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html



FWIW



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

rickofudall

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:59 am Post subject: Seats for a MkIIIC

Thanks, Jack. I always like looking at your work.

Rick

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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net (jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net (jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net)>

 At 06:43 PM 4/5/10 -0700, you wrote:

 >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>

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 >

 Also know what ya mean about cutting off circulation to the leg. I fit

 pretty good, no problems, but the Good Lookin' Old Poop needs a pad under

 her leg over the front tube, the stock seat thing just doesn't fit right for

 her.

 >

 Richard, & Richard,

 I like my full sling seat.  I am short legged, and so at first I used a lot

 of padding to move my self forward so that I could reach the rudder pedals.

 Then I realized that, if I released the material from the lower rear cross

 tube and hiked up the back it would form a true sling seat that would

 automatically slide me forward.  It almost worked too well, in that I

 slipped too far forward, and I had to remember to push my self back in the

 seat.

 Although I could reach the rudder pedals ok, I found that after an hour

 flight, I staggered like a drunk upon arrival.  The front cross piece was

 cutting into the back of my legs and cutting off the circulation.  To get

 around this problem I made a cheek board and some padding to raise my cheeks

 a sufficient amount to get the pressure off my legs and to prevent the

 problem.  Currently, the whole works weighs a little over 1.5 pounds.

 A true sling seat has a tendency to let your rear end swing around a little

 in rough air. I found a five point set belt and shoulder harness seems to be

 the answer to this problem, and it also prevents you from sliding forward

 during the flight.

 How the cheek board was made can be seen at:

 http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly37.html

 FWIW

 Jack B. Hart FF004

 Winchester, IN

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Seats for a MkIIIC

How about a go-kart seat? I would think a lot lighter than those JEGS seats.

http://www.bmikarts.com/shop/?shop=1&cat=176

Click for larger image    Go Kart Bucket Seat 



Bucket Seat Complete with Seat Brackets and Hardware. Sold with or without seat cover. Seat cover also sold seperately. 

High Impact Nylon Seat. 

Reinforced Mounting Sockets 

Part #400511 (with Cover) $89.95 



Part #400510 (no Cover)$59.95 



Part #400509 (Cover Only) $42.95

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  Price:  $59.95  

 

Seat Cover:  Without Cover #400510 ($59.95)With Cover #400511 ($89.95)Cover Only #400509 ($42.95)

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