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Jim Berry
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 Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part of my POH. Has anyone created one for the -10?
Jim Berry
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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Yep, one of the requirements. I created a separate one, not in my POH.
Sorry I do not have it here at work, I will post it tonight.....if I get
home at a decent hour.
Rene
801-721-6080
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coop85(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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Just out of curiosity, wasn't it resolved previously that a POH isn't
required. I've been through the new airplane inspection thing 5 times and
never had to produce a POH or an equipment list with stations and weights???
Marcus
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pilotdds(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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I was required to produce both during a ramp check at Deems airport-DVT-i am with the govt and here to help-728DD
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rvdave
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Equipment list |
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Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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So I'm kinda with Dave here.... Maybe we don't understand what you mean by equipment list..... My w&b is all fixed except fuel, oil, passengers, and baggage. In my mind the 'equipment' is a fixed part of the airframe and is incorporated within the fixed part of the airframe w&b..... What are we missing?
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 Building
Grass Lake, MI (26W)
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On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:09 PM, "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com (taildragon(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] <?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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Jack up the airplane
Put the scales under the wheels
Lower the airplane…..
Just joking J
I think the equipment list was identified in my trusty EAA certification package. So I did one and my DAR asked me for it. I could be wrong and only my DAR asked me for one……..
When I get home tonight, I will look back and see if I can find a reference…..
As far as a POH. I think the certified A/C need to have one to meet the Operating Limitations requirement. We get the limitations through our Airworthiness Certificate….pink slip with operating limitations attached.
But no real expert on this…..just taking a break from work. J
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
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rv10builder(at)ericksonjc
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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Umm, take a look here http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/RV10wb.pdf for an example. Once you’ve established the empty weight and CG, it is easy to figure out the loaded CG based on pax and fuel. You do need to redo the empty CG if your equipment changes, but you certainly do not need an equipment list (along with datum references) to have a completely valid weight and balance for both empty and loaded conditions.
Just my $0.02 worth…
John
RV-10 Wings (still)
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
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pilotdds(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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operating limitations and weight and balance
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coop85(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:10 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can’t find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that’s not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com
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Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:27 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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Isn’t weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can’t find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that’s not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:21 pm Post subject: Equipment list |
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I found this reference for the Equipment list……along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference.
http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf
I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message.
Date 31 Oct 07
Registration No. N423CF
Manufacture Felker, Timothy R
Model RV-10
Serial No. 001
Preformed By Timothy R Felker
Item Manufacture Model No. Datum
(in)
Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53
Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33
Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31
Main Tires 124.31
Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98
Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90
Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90
ADI TruTrak ADI 90
Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90
EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90
Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90
DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90
GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90
Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90
Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90
EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90
EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90
O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194
ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263
AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90
Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90
Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
Isn’t weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can’t find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that’s not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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coop85(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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Great info Rene, thanks. However, I can’t help but wonder where some of these requirements the DARs require come from. For example, in addition to the equipment list, your guy also requires the ‘beginning draft of a Pilot’s Operating Handbook’, pretty nebulous and apparently not a FAA requirement. Sure seems like there should be a consistent answer on what’s required. I have no issue with additional recommendations, but they shouldn’t affect the inspection.
Looks like you have a great EAA chapter, I’m envious.
Marcus
40286
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
I found this reference for the Equipment list……along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference.
http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf
I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message.
Date 31 Oct 07
Registration No. N423CF
Manufacture Felker, Timothy R
Model RV-10
Serial No. 001
Preformed By Timothy R Felker
Item Manufacture Model No. Datum
(in)
Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53
Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33
Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31
Main Tires 124.31
Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98
Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90
Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90
ADI TruTrak ADI 90
Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90
EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90
Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90
DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90
GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90
Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90
Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90
EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90
EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90
O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194
ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263
AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90
Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90
Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
Isn’t weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can’t find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that’s not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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Charles Usery
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Ferndale, Washington
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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I just had my plane inspected by the FAA (MIDO) from Seattle.
They did not require an equipment list or a POH.
There were two inspectors and the process took 5 hours. They checked every connection in the engine. Look through every access panel. In the end just a couple of items that I adjusted while they were there and they issued the Special Airworthiness Certificate.
What they wanted to see was exactly what the EAA checklist said you would need. So I would recommend that guide as a good resource. Keep copies of everything you send in as they did ask to see information that was sent to get the registration number for the plane.
There is no requirement for a equipment list or POH that I can find or that they requested.
I have copies of the forms and documents they sent if anyone is interested. Just drop me a note to my email and I will send you copies.
Charles Usery
N719PD
cusery(at)juno.com (cusery(at)juno.com)
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From: Marcus Cooper <coop85(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 9:52 AM
Great info Rene, thanks. However, I can’t help but wonder where some of these requirements the DARs require come from. For example, in addition to the equipment list, your guy also requires the ‘beginning draft of a Pilot’s Operating Handbook’, pretty nebulous and apparently not a FAA requirement. Sure seems like there should be a consistent answer on what’s required. I have no issue with additional recommendations, but they shouldn’t affect the inspection.
Looks like you have a great EAA chapter, I’m envious.
Marcus
40286
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
I found this reference for the Equipment list……along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference.
http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf
I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message.
Date 31 Oct 07
Registration No. N423CF
Manufacture Felker, Timothy R
Model RV-10
Serial No. 001
Preformed By Timothy R Felker
Item Manufacture Model No. Datum
(in)
Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53
Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33
Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31
Main Tires 124.31
Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98
Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90
Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90
ADI TruTrak ADI 90
Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90
EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90
Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90
DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90
GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90
Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90
Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90
EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90
EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90
O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194
ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263
AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90
Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90
Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
Isn’t weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can’t find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that’s not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: Equipment list |
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I would love to take credit….but not my chapter. We have a great chapter in Ogden……..
My DAR did not care about the POH…..
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:53 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
Great info Rene, thanks. However, I can’t help but wonder where some of these requirements the DARs require come from. For example, in addition to the equipment list, your guy also requires the ‘beginning draft of a Pilot’s Operating Handbook’, pretty nebulous and apparently not a FAA requirement. Sure seems like there should be a consistent answer on what’s required. I have no issue with additional recommendations, but they shouldn’t affect the inspection.
Looks like you have a great EAA chapter, I’m envious.
Marcus
40286
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:16 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
I found this reference for the Equipment list……along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference.
http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf
I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message.
Date 31 Oct 07
Registration No. N423CF
Manufacture Felker, Timothy R
Model RV-10
Serial No. 001
Preformed By Timothy R Felker
Item Manufacture Model No. Datum
(in)
Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53
Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33
Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31
Main Tires 124.31
Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98
Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90
Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90
ADI TruTrak ADI 90
Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90
EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90
Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90
DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90
GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90
Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90
Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90
EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90
EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90
O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194
ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263
AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90
Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90
Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
Isn’t weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can’t find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that’s not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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