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Matt Dralle
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

Dear Listers,



I'm working with the local FSDO this week and had my airframe inspection on Monday will get my sign-off this Friday if all goes well.  Looking over the requirements for IFR, it appears that I've got everything I need as far as equipment is concerned.  I have a Garmin SL-30 for Com/Nav and a Garmin GTX-327 for Mode C transponder.  All of the other equipment and functionality is provided by the GRT Horizon HX sytems including the encoder, attitude, airspeed, altitude, compass, etc, etc.  I do not have any steam gauges or other flight instruments other than what is provided by GRT through an HX installation.



My question is can my RV-8 be approved for IFR flight with this compliment of GRT HX specific instrumentation?  Or, would I need to have a TSO'd encoder and/or other TSO'd pieces such as rate-of-turn, slip, sensitive altimeter, artificial horizon, direction gyro, etc?

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Kellym

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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

You do NOT need to worry about this for your airframe inspection. You will only get approved for Day VFR and only need to meet Day VFR requirements.  There is NO such thing as IFR certification of an OBAM aircraft.  You will get operating limitations restricting you to day VFR for Phase one, and then state for night VFR and IFR you have to comply with the requirements of 91.205. You won't find any TSO requirements there. The only requirements for TSO are found in other parts, such as the transponder, which for all practical purposes must be TSO. Your Altimeter and encoder will need to meet the TSO requirements, but you can have a competent avionics shop certify your altimeter, encoder and static system, as well as the required transponder check all in one operation.

  

TSO equimpent, with the exceptions above is only required for Part 135 and similar for hire parts.



[quote="Matt Dralle"]Dear Listers,



I'm working with the local FSDO this week and had my airframe inspection on Monday will get my sign-off this Friday if all goes well.   

My question is can my RV-8 be approved for IFR flight with this compliment of GRT HX specific instrumentation?  Or, would I need to have a TSO'd encoder and/or other TSO'd pieces such as rate-of-turn, slip, sensitive altimeter, artificial horizon, direction gyro, etc?

Matt Dralle

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

Matt,



Yes, I think you're okay; but with the irony that you won't be able to get home to KLVK in ifr. There are only 2 approaches into KLVK; a GPS approach, which requires an ifr TSO certified gps; and an ILS, which in Livermore's case, also requires an ADF (or you can sub an ifr approved gps).



PS What hangar are you in? I'm in 311.



Bob

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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

Matt,



Also, it wasn't clear to me: if the GRT goes belly up, do you have any backup instruments?



Bob

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Matt Dralle
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

Yes, I've got dual AHRSs, Magnetometers, GPSs, and triple HX displays.  I also have a completely redundant and independent power source for the primary HX Display/ARHS/Magnetometer/GPS/SL-30 in case the Vertical Power VP-200 dies.



Matt 



At 08:11 PM 4/20/2010  Tuesday, you wrote:

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Matt,



Also, it wasn't clear to me: if the GRT goes belly up, do you have any backup instruments?



Bob



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orchidman

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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

 	  Matt Dralle wrote: 	
		  Yes, I've got dual AHRSs, Magnetometers, GPSs, and triple HX displays.  I also have a completely redundant and independent power source for the primary HX Display/ARHS/Magnetometer/GPS/SL-30 in case the Vertical Power VP-200 dies.



Matt 	


The question asked above is what is your approved GPS?  The only ones I know that are regularly installed in experimentals are the 430, 530 and 480.

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?

You don't need an approved GPS to fly ifr, if you only go where a VOR and/or ILS will take you. However, Matt's home airport (KLVK) represents a problem, as there is  no approach you can legally shoot without an approved gps (or, ADF).



Matt, one comment: be cautious after grt software updates, as that represents a single point failure of all your attitude info.

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