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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: Future of general aviation |
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At 12:29 PM 4/20/2010, you wrote:
Bob,
Pardon me for butting in, but from my experience with certificated
airplanes, it is virtually impossible to get a field approval like
you're after.
I used to have a 1961 Cessna 172, with an O-300 Continental. On
those hot mid-summer California days (100+), my oil temps got well
into the red on climbout!! I checked the accuracy of the gauge, and
it was correct!
Therefore, I wanted to add an oil cooler to my Cessna 172. It
didn't come with one, but I could get a later model 172 oil cooler to
fit. I sent off my Form 337 to the local FSDO, and their first
reaction was "NO!" Their attitude was "if it didn't come with one,
it doesn't need one!!"
I was irritated (to say the least), and requested an appeal. They
finally relented and said it would be okay. For crying out loud , it
was just an oil cooler!! (all certified parts, too)
My opinion is; there ain't no way you can legally add any kind of
permanent parts to modify to your fuel pump, fuel lines, or anything
else, on a certificated airplane, without that approved 337.
Just my opinion.................
An opinion not without foundation. Without telling
stories on anyone, I can share that I attended a
meeting yesterday. This was a gathering of technically
competent, talented integrators of simple-ideas into
elegant solutions. They were stampeded into a "solution"
the crippled the capability of perfectly good system
just to cover a flight condition that was easily
managed . . . all in the name of achieving "FAA
certification".
I pissed off some of the attendees . . . may
have lost future business for that customer.
Present trends plotted into the future do not
bode well for our beloved airplanes and the
people who design, build and fly them. We
have ever increasing numbers of people who
do not design, build and fly demanding to run
the show . . . all in the cause of "making
airplanes safer".
Bob . . .
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paul.r.kuntz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: Future of general aviation |
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I've been an engineer and program manager at Boeing for thirty-two years, and am continually surprised to see how few of my fellow employees are actually interested in aviation. Yesterday I sat in a room with about thirty other engineers who are working on a new US Navy aircraft, for a get-acquainted session with the new manager of the 200-member team that is building the mission electronics system for that aircraft. We went around the room for everyone to discuss their background and their outside interests. I was the only person in the room, including the group manager, who expressed any interest at all in airplanes and flying. This has been a pattern throughout my career, but I do find that my experience as a pilot and aircraft builder has generated wide respect for my opinion on the way to approach or solve a problem.
Boeing does acknowledge the value of pilot experience in its work force, and provides a subsidy of $500 for non-pilots on achieving first solo, and another $500 on achieving a Private Pilot rating. Nevertheless, there seem to be far too few real airplane enthusiasts among the employees of a company that is known primarily as a supplier of a very large portion of the world's fleets of commercial airliners, not to mention many military aircraft. I call daily on my lifelong experience building model aircraft, my 40+ years membership in EAA, my personal pursuit of commercial, multi-engine, instrument, glider and CFI ratings, and my hands-on building of two homebuilt aircraft. There's simply nothing to replace true passion for aviation in the pursuit of practical, useful solutions for the problems encountered in the development of the next generation of aircraft.
We all need to contribute to the continuance of this legacy by supporting programs like Young Eagles, encouraging youth who express interest in what we do, participating in information exchange forums like this one, and never taking the privilege of flying for granted.
Regards,
Paul Kuntz
http://www.pipistrelbuilders.com
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)>
At 12:29 PM 4/20/2010, you wrote:
Bob,
Pardon me for butting in, but from my experience with certificated airplanes, it is virtually impossible to get a field approval like you're after.
I used to have a 1961 Cessna 172, with an O-300 Continental. On those hot mid-summer California days (100+), my oil temps got well into the red on climbout!! I checked the accuracy of the gauge, and it was correct!
Therefore, I wanted to add an oil cooler to my Cessna 172. It didn't come with one, but I could get a later model 172 oil cooler to fit. I sent off my Form 337 to the local FSDO, and their first reaction was "NO!" Their attitude was "if it didn't come with one, it doesn't need one!!"
I was irritated (to say the least), and requested an appeal. They finally relented and said it would be okay. For crying out loud , it was just an oil cooler!! (all certified parts, too)
My opinion is; there ain't no way you can legally add any kind of permanent parts to modify to your fuel pump, fuel lines, or anything else, on a certificated airplane, without that approved 337.
Just my opinion.................
An opinion not without foundation. Without telling
stories on anyone, I can share that I attended a
meeting yesterday. This was a gathering of technically
competent, talented integrators of simple-ideas into
elegant solutions. They were stampeded into a "solution"
the crippled the capability of perfectly good system
just to cover a flight condition that was easily
managed . . . all in the name of achieving "FAA
certification".
I pissed off some of the attendees . . . may
have lost future business for that customer.
Present trends plotted into the future do not
bode well for our beloved airplanes and the
people who design, build and fly them. We
have ever increasing numbers of people who
do not design, build and fly demanding to run
the show . . . all in the cause of "making
airplanes safer".
Bob . . .
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:51 am Post subject: Future of general aviation |
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| Quote: | We all need to contribute to the continuance of this legacy by
supporting programs like Young Eagles, encouraging youth who express
interest in what we do, participating in information exchange forums
like this one, and never taking the privilege of flying for granted.
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I fear that the inoculation for indifference may be more
complicated that enthusiastic offers of airplane rides.
Our culture is slowly loosing its curiosity and excitement
as to how and why things work. There's more interest in
stepping up to the next revision of "Borg Wars" or
seeking out the most outrageous roller coaster. The
perpetual quest for transient pleasures is winning out
over the joy of finding things out.
Young Eagles is a fine idea but it's also a "process"
enthusiastically endorsed by folks who think education
is "flip switch A, insert tab C into slot D, watch
video F, etc".
Real teaching is a meeting of the minds, an exchange
of concepts and a study of recipes for success crafted
of simple-ideas.
My grandson doesn't know what he's in for. We're going
to cook, grow, build, design, cut metal, photoshop,
autocad, cut wood, take things apart, put them back
together and explore the simple-ideas that are discovered
in the process. Exactly how he uses these experiences
will ultimately be up to him. But without having peeked
behind all those doors, how can he make well considered
choices?
Our contemporaries have, I suspect, not peeked behind
many doors . . . their teachers (which includes EVERY
adult interaction in their younger lives) have failed
them. I have the signatures of more than 50 young eagles
in my logbook . . . I'll bet not one of them has set
foot back in an airplane . . . unless it was at the
NEXT air show where free rides were offered again.
That "privilege" thing is closely related to what
doors have been peeked into. Present trends plotted
into the future suggest that ANY privilege we now
enjoy can disappear any time with the mere stroke
of a pen in Washington.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: Future of general aviation |
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The simple truth of things was elegantly set in your words....Thanks.
However, too few will read nor understand. And, even fewer will act.
Unfortunately, it covers more than just future aviation.
Now we know what probably happened to the Romans, even after removing the
influence of their lead pipe system from the equation.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: Future of general aviation |
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I agree with everything you said. There is one other factor to consider,
affordability. It may have already been discussed. As an E3 in 1957, I could
actually afford to take flying lessons. As a 25 year-old raising a family, I
could afford to own and fly a Porterfield CP-65. Now with the cost of
litigation and fuel, that is no longer the case for the majority of young
people. Even with the new LSA rules, it's out of the reach of most. The
lawyers have successfully killed the prospects of a continuing, vital
General Aviation system in America, witness the recent 89 million dollar
award against Lycoming, who are being made to pay for pilot error. The oil
companies are contributing to its demise with their exhorbitant rates,
insuring their continuing record profits each quarter. I'm still a
capitalist and not overly pessimistic, but I have to say even though it was
great while it lasted; RIP to GA in America.
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