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jeffrey-j-paris(at)excite
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?

Hello Listers,

 

In the process of building two amateur built experimentals, which are a Zenith Zodiac CH601XL and currently finishing up a Europa Monowheel Classic  I have accrued enough hours to convince my local FSDO to sign off on taking the Airframe and Powerplant exams.  Does anyone out in internet airplane building land know of or can vouch for a quality A&P preparation course to satisfy all 3 parts of the FAA A&P requirements i.e., written, oral and practical tests?  Prefereably somewhere close to Rochester, NY if possible?



 

Thanks for your time and consideration.



 

Jeff Paris

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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?

Hi Jeff,  

   

I spoke to an FAA guy at one of the shows on this point.Â  He informed me the experience needed to get an A&P license must be on certified planes.Â  This precludes work on Amateur built planes to qualify for the license.Â  Also, it prevents people who work on planes in the manufacturer's factory since they are not yet certified.  

   

Good luck,  

   

Paul  

   

     

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Hello Listers,    

   

    

In the process of building two amateur built experimentals, which are a Zenith Zodiac CH601XL and currently finishing up a Europa Monowheel Classic  I have accrued enough hours to convince my local FSDO to sign off on taking the Airframe and Powerplant exams.  Does anyone out in internet airplane building land know of or can vouch for a quality A&P preparation course to satisfy all 3 parts of the FAA A&P requirements i.e., written, oral and practical tests?  Prefereably somewhere close to Rochester, NY if possible?  

    

   

    

Thanks for your time and consideration.  

    

   

    

Jeff Paris  

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zman601xl(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?

Jeff,

 You might want to give this guy a call.His name is Ron Ciura.His phone# is 585-496-7390(think it's still a good one).His E-mail address is   Magman366(at)earthlink.net

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Z601c(at)anemicaardvark.c
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:44 am Post subject: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?

On Saturday 17 April 2010 17:01:50 you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hello Listers,In the process of building two amateur built experimentals,

  which are a Zenith Zodiac CH601XL and currently finishing up a Europa

  Monowheel Classic  I have accrued enough hours to convince my local FSDO

  to sign off on taking the Airframe and Powerplant exams.  Does anyone out

  in internet airplane building land know of or can vouch for a quality A&P

  preparation course to satisfy all 3 parts of the FAA A&P requirements

  i.e., written, oral and practical tests?  Prefereably somewhere close to

  Rochester, NY if possible?Thanks for your time and consideration.Jeff

  Paris

 

You might look at the King School videos. I went to a company sponsored course 
	


for general and airframe, and used the King for powerplant. Ignoring obvious 

things like interaction with other people, the King stuff was pretty good, if 

you can stay awake.

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                      General Radio Telephone Certificate

                               Instrument Rated Pilot

                     Retired Aerospace Technical Manager

                         Semi-proficient Househusband

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Juan Vega Jr

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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?

Paul,

I call Bull%$#^% on this one.  The FAA regs clearly state that if you work on any aircraft and document 1800 hours of work,  all you need is an endosment from an A&P to take the test.  So as a builder even on experimentals,  log all your time, even on maintenance,  and when you get to 1800 hours,  then decide if you want to go for a certification,  get the en dorsment and get the test done.    I will be happy to tell the FAA guy to show you in writing where he pulled that statment from,  i doubt he would comply.   



Juan

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Z601c(at)anemicaardvark.c
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: Any Suggestions on a A&P PRep Course?

I have to agree with Juan on this one. I think the problem may be that some 

FAA employees are not as familiar with the wording of the FARs as others. 



FAR 65.77 states:



"Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an 

appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a 

certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, 

satisfactory to the administrator, of -



(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, 

materials, tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, 

or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or



(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the 

duties appropriate to both the airfram and powerplant ratings."



Nothing is said about how the aircraft is licensed. It could be part 23, part 

25, experimental, etc etc.



Some years ago, when I went in to get a FSDO to certify me to take the A&P 

exams, I brought a letter from the IA who had been supervising me. He 

paraphrased paragraphs (a) and (b) above.



I don't want to name the FSDO, because I'm sure they have other people who are 

well qualified, and what I got was an isolated experience. It was a well-lit 

area, with offices in cubicles. One could hear what was going on in every other 

cubicle.



The FAA guy who processed me told me that the letter I had did not reflect the 

necessary experience. Knowing, that it did, I suggested we look in the FARs, 

and find out what the letter should say, so I could get a correctly worded 

letter.



The FAA employee fumbled a bit, and showed me the experience requirements for 

a master parachute rigger.



"No," I said, "I believe those are the requirements for a master parachute 

rigger's certificate. I'm seeking the A&P certificate. I believe that's located 

in FAR 65.77."



At this point, all the noise coming from the other cubicles stopped. It was 

clear the other FAA employees were enjoying the situation.



The person reviewing my experience probably set a new speed record for filling 

out paperwork, and getting me out of there.



Moral: The FAA is generally a good bunch of guys and gals. But there are a few 

who must demonstrate their authority by saying "no." Some of these really 

don't know the FARs all that well. Know the FARs, and make sure your 

experience letter states exactly what the FARs require.



My guess is that the FAA guy Paul talked with isn't familiar with that part of 

the FARs.



On Saturday 24 April 2010 09:58:08 you wrote:



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 	  Quote: 	
		    The FAA regs clearly state that if you work

  on any aircraft and document 1800 hours of work,  all you need is an

  endosment from an A&P to take the test.  So as a builder even on

  experimentals,  log all your time, even on maintenance,  and when you get

  to 1800 hours,  then decide if you want to go for a certification,  get

  the en dorsment and get the test done.    I will be happy to tell the FAA

  guy to show you in writing where he pulled that statment from,  i doubt he

  would comply.

 

 Juan


	


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 	  Quote: 	
		   >I spoke to an FAA guy at one of the shows on this point.  He informed me

 > the experience needed to get an A&P license must be on certified planes. 

 > This precludes work on Amateur built planes to qualify for the license. 

 > Also, it prevents people who work on planes in the manufacturer's factory

 > since they are not yet certified.


	


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		   >Good luck,


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   >Paul


	


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                                       BS,MS Physics

                                            A&P/IA

                      General Radio Telephone Certificate

                               Instrument Rated Pilot

                     Retired Aerospace Technical Manager

                         Semi-proficient Househusband

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