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 Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject: PAINT |
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For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as being the least expensive.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: PAINT |
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Hi Bob,
I only painted part of my Zodiac, so I don't really know the answer to your question.
I am concerned about your choice of paint. Aluminum is notorious for being difficult to paint - the paint just doesn't want to stick. On the parts I did, I started with self etching primer. Then I followed with two part epoxy primer and two part acrylic enamel. I think each of these paints got two or three very thin coats. All of these products came from the auto paint store.
I also used the epoxy primer as a single cover for many of the steel parts. On the really visible ones (like the center stick) I added flat black top coat from shake-cans.
If you want to try using house paint on your plane I strongly suggest you experiment with it on scraps or non-critical areas first. You may find the choice you made just doesn't stick well enough to last more than a few days. It may chip off if you look at it funny. This kind of testing is very important whenever you use a paint on something it wasn't designed for or on top of a coat of paint with unknown compatibility.
Good luck,
Paul
XL installing upgrade
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Subject: PAINT
For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as being the least expensive.
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jimandmandy(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: PAINT |
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Where did you get the idea that he wanted to use house paint? I have used acrylic enamel (Dupont Centari, without hardener) on cars and it takes some practice to get it right. We also want it as thin as possible for weight reasons, increasing the skill factor. For aluminum, self etch primer is probably a must for adhesion, but is the epoxy second primer really necessary?
Jim
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From: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net>
Subject: RE: PAINT
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 5:06 PM
Hi Bob,
I only painted part of my Zodiac, so I don't really know the answer to your question.
I am concerned about your choice of paint. Aluminum is notorious for being difficult to paint - the paint just doesn't want to stick. On the parts I did, I started with self etching primer. Then I followed with two part epoxy primer and two part acrylic enamel. I think each of these paints got two or three very thin coats. All of these products came from the auto paint store.
I also used the epoxy primer as a single cover for many of the steel parts. On the really visible ones (like the center stick) I added flat black top coat from shake-cans.
If you want to try using house paint on your plane I strongly suggest you experiment with it on scraps or non-critical areas first. You may find the choice you made just doesn't stick well enough to last more than a few days. It may chip off if you look at it funny. This kind of testing is very important whenever you use a paint on something it wasn't designed for or on top of a coat of paint with unknown compatibility.
Good luck,
Paul
XL installing upgrade
From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob McArdle
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:41 PM
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: PAINT
For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as being the least expensive.
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psm(at)att.net
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: PAINT |
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Hi Jim,
I don't know if the epoxy primer is necessary or not. It is just part of the acrylic system I used. I think the system is made by PPG.
My guess is the epoxy primer does most of the protection work and the acrylic color coat just provides the final color and a bit of shine.
Paul
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Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:37 PM
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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: PAINT |
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Well,here we go again I just started to paint after my refit,and it went something like this strip all paint to bare metal, coat with self etching primer then paint with filler primer,then hand samd with#320 paper making sure to get in betwen reivets that makes for a very smooth,and porus surface to shoot your acrylic enamel (Omni) used light hardner and more thinner than we were told to. Ins. said three coats , so we did three. Take a look,I like it. Worked out to 1 1/2 gal for two wings plus thiner and hardner Joe N101HD 601XL-B
From: Jimbo <jimandmandy(at)yahoo.com>
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Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:37:11 PM
Subject: RE: PAINT
Where did you get the idea that he wanted to use house paint? I have used acrylic enamel (Dupont Centari, without hardener) on cars and it takes some practice to get it right. We also want it as thin as possible for weight reasons, increasing the skill factor. For aluminum, self etch primer is probably a must for adhesion, but is the epoxy second primer really necessary?
Jim
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From: Paul Mulwitz <psm(at)att.net>
Subject: RE: PAINT
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 5:06 PM
Hi Bob,
I only painted part of my Zodiac, so I don't really know the answer to your question.
I am concerned about your choice of paint. Aluminum is notorious for being difficult to paint - the paint just doesn't want to stick. On the parts I did, I started with self etching primer. Then I followed with two part epoxy primer and two part acrylic enamel. I think each of these paints got two or three very thin coats. All of these products came from the auto paint store.
I also used the epoxy primer as a single cover for many of the steel parts. On the really visible ones (like the center stick) I added flat black top coat from shake-cans.
If you want to try using house paint on your plane I strongly suggest you experiment with it on scraps or non-critical areas first. You may find the choice you made just doesn't stick well enough to last more than a few days. It may chip off if you look at it funny. This kind of testing is very important whenever you use a paint on something it wasn't designed for or on top of a coat of paint with unknown compatibility.
Good luck,
Paul
XL installing upgrade
From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob McArdle
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:41 PM
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: PAINT
For those who have painted their plane. Approx how much paint(Exterior primer and top coat) is needed. I am looking at one part acrylic enamel as being the least expensive.
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