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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: Before mounting engine

My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

almost afraid to touch it.  Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there

anything else I should do before that?  Seems like access will

actually be pretty good after it's mounted.



Thanks...



-Rob



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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: Before mounting engine

Hey Rob,



I agree, that new engine that costs more than a lot of complete cars, is 

very impressive!



We used an engine leveler on the engine jack and marked the links on the 

chains to the mounting ears so that once the engine mount was on the 

firewall and the fit was good, we could duplicate the engine on/off 

procedure very easily.  Then, as with everything else on this project, when 

you do and re-do, it's not a big deal.  I.e., after all the cowl/prop 

measuring and fitting, it was easier to remove the engine and replace it 

with two 5 gal. jugs of water for counter wt. for painting and firewall 

wiring etc.



Once you plan all your firewall forward plumbing and wiring, it is MUCH 

easier to run your cables to the heater vents, for example, with the engine 

off.  Think about parking brakes, brake resevoir, heat shield, other stuff 

you might want to rivet on to the firewall.  Again, with the ease of 

temporarily installing the engine, don't think of it as "once it's on, it's 

on for good".



Maybe (hopefully) you've already done your wiring/panel layout and 

construction, but I did not like the tight fit of the battery cable through 

the firewall where Van's shows it, and went with the bigger insulated 

bulkhead connector as in William Curtis's site 

(http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/90Electrical/EL1h.html).  That also gives you 

cabin side direct access to battery +.   I wouldn't even punch that hole in 

the firewall where the instructions say.   And don't forget the diodes 

across the master, and starter solonoids, as seen in his pictures.



I'm sure there's lots more, but that's starters off the top of my head.



Later, - Lew

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: Before mounting engine

I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with 

the prop attached.  So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the 

prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing 

the engine (easy.



If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), 

it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%(at)$#%) combination back on.  

Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than 

fun) before remounting. 



Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on 

aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson



Rob Kochman wrote:

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 My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

 almost afraid to touch it.  Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

 am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there

 anything else I should do before that?  Seems like access will

 actually be pretty good after it's mounted.



 Thanks...



 -Rob

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: Before mounting engine

Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again.  Am I kidding myself?  Anyone have success with this?

  

 -Rob

 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

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I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with the prop attached.  So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the engine (easy.

 

If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%(at)$#%) combination back on.  Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting. 

 Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson  



Rob Kochman wrote:

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My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

almost afraid to touch it.  Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there

 anything else I should do before that?  Seems like access will

actually be pretty good after it's mounted.



Thanks...



-Rob



 

	




  

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: Before mounting engine

yes but have the wiring, cables, etc  run through the  firewall first

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob  Kochman

Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:18 AM

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 Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a  few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again.  Am I kidding  myself?  Anyone have success with this?

 -Rob

 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson  <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>  wrote:

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I would just comment that    while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with the prop attached.  So if    you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest    removing the prop (easy) before removing the engine (easy.

If you do as    I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it's a lot of fun    trying put the (##%&#$%(at)$#%) combination back on.  Then you end up    removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting.    

Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on    aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson    

Rob Kochman wrote:

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My shiny new Aero Sport      engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

almost afraid to touch it.       Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

am at the point where it      says to actually mount the engine. Is there

anything else I should do      before that?  Seems like access will

actually be pretty good after      it's    mounted.

Thanks...

-Rob

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:12 pm Post subject: Before mounting engine

Hung mine once and didn't have any problems finishing the rest of the aircraft.



Rick S.

N246RS

---- Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com> wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a

 few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again.  Am I kidding

 myself?  Anyone have success with this?

 

 -Rob

 

 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <

 MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:

 

 > 

 > MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>

 >

 > I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with

 > the prop attached.  So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop

 > (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the

 > engine (easy.

 >

 > If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy),

 > it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%(at)$#%) combination back on.  Then

 > you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun)

 > before remounting.

 > Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft

 > engines, HA HA" Watson

 >

 >

 > Rob Kochman wrote:

 >

 >> 

 >>

 >> My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

 >> almost afraid to touch it.  Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

 >> am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there

 >> anything else I should do before that?  Seems like access will

 >> actually be pretty good after it's mounted.

 >>

 >> Thanks...

 >>

 >> -Rob

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 

 

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 Rob Kochman

 RV-10 "Finishing" Kit

 Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)

 http://kochman.net/N819K

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: Before mounting engine

I mounted the engine 1 time for good and never removed it.  Probably want to have the oil cooler mount riveted to the firewall, along with the heater valves installed and sealed (of you want the stainless steel ones, mow is the time to decide!)  Also, i'd suggest installing a cooling shroud on the mechanical fuel pump and be sure all the oil line fittings are properly installed on the engine and pointing the correct way.  Those are harder to get to after the engine is mounted.

 

-Mike  



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On Apr 8, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again.  Am I kidding myself?  Anyone have success with this?

  

 -Rob

 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <[url=mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com]MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)[/url]> wrote:

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I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with the prop attached.  So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the engine (easy.

 

If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%(at)$#%) combination back on.  Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting. 

 Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson  



Rob Kochman wrote:

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My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

almost afraid to touch it.  Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there

 anything else I should do before that?  Seems like access will

actually be pretty good after it's mounted.



Thanks...



-Rob



 

	




  

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http://kochman.net/N819K

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Before mounting engine

Here's a slightly different engine mount....

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:09 pm Post subject: Before mounting engine

Also make sure you install the divider inside the oil cooler box before engine mounting and before installing oil cooler.

 Don



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  yes but have the wiring, cables, etc  run through the firewall first



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman

Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:18 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Before mounting engine

 

 Thanks, guys... I'm currently planning on borrowing an engine hoist for a few days, mounting the engine, and not taking it off again.  Am I kidding myself?  Anyone have success with this?

  

 -Rob

 On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

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I would just comment that while the engine is easy on/off, it isn't with the prop attached.  So if you mount the engine (easy), and mount the prop (easy), I strongly suggest removing the prop (easy) before removing the engine (easy.



If you do as I did and remove the engine with the prop in place (easy), it's a lot of fun trying put the (##%&#$%(at)$#%) combination back on.  Then you end up removing the prop from the unmounted engine (less than fun) before remounting. 

Bill "remembering that the HF load leveler should never be used on aircraft engines, HA HA" Watson  



Rob Kochman wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)>



My shiny new Aero Sport engine arrived yesterday. It looks great--I'm

almost afraid to touch it.  Anyway, I'm following Van's FWF plans and

am at the point where it says to actually mount the engine. Is there

anything else I should do before that?  Seems like access will

actually be pretty good after it's mounted.



Thanks...



-Rob



 

	




  

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http://kochman.net/N819K

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Before mounting engine

Is a cooling shroud on the mechanical fuel pump standard practice? If so I missed that one.

Ron

Kelly McMullen

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: Before mounting engine

Gee whiz. Where is the fun in that? Remember, the building, and

rebuilding, etc. is where it is at. You are supposed to assemble and

disassemble every part on the plane at LEAST 3 times, or you can't

have done it right!

This flying thingy is just a diversion between projects. I can think

of several folks on this list that are repeat offenders, and I even

know of one RV-10 builder that also built a couple two place RVs and

now is working on his second RV-10....and no, it isn't to assist

someone or build and sell, as far as I know.

I'm sure if an engine hoist can be borrowed once, it can be borrowed

again. Or, Pep Boys, HF, etc often have hoists on sale for around

$120....less cost than your first flight.



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Jim Berry

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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Before mounting engine

I mounted the engine by myself in about 30 minutes. Just pure luck that when I hoisted it, everything lined up. But once it was on, it looked so cool I never wanted to take it off. The only real hassle was later riveting the forward fuselage section with the engine in place. A few of the rivets through the firewall were a bear to buck behind the mags.



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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Before mounting engine

Riveting the cowl hinges before attaching the engine mount is a good idea as the mount gets in the way of several hinge rivets. By the time I realized this, the engine was already hung and it got interesting.



I pulled FW wires after the engine on without problem. One advantage of doing it this way is that everything is known to be accessible after the fact.



Attached forest of ground tabs to FW before engine on.



Mounted LSE Electronic Ignition to aft side of FW before engine on.



Install of air vent control cables after engine on doesn't look like fun as there's little clearance. I didn't have my cabin mounts done at the time, so I'll be the poster child for doing it backwards.



Ran engine control cables after engine on without problem. Would have been easier beforehand though.



Jay

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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Before mounting engine

 	  jayb wrote: 	
		  Riveting the cowl hinges before attaching the engine mount is a good idea as the mount gets in the way of several hinge rivets. By the time I realized this, the engine was already hung and it got interesting.



I pulled FW wires after the engine on without problem. One advantage of doing it this way is that everything is known to be accessible after the fact.



Attached forest of ground tabs to FW before engine on.



Mounted LSE Electronic Ignition to aft side of FW before engine on.



Install of air vent control cables after engine on doesn't look like fun as there's little clearance. I didn't have my cabin mounts done at the time, so I'll be the poster child for doing it backwards.



Ran engine control cables after engine on without problem. Would have been easier beforehand though.



Jay 	




Jay,



Do you have a photo of your firewall that you can share?    I haven't installed the mount yet, but am looking to install the forest of tabs and the the fat cables this coming weekend.  My concern is that I'll install them someplace where I wish I hadn't after the engine gets mounted.



thanks,



bob

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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Before mounting engine

Photo is attached. No warranties as I'm not flying yet. Aft tab access may be less fun than the firewall side.



Regards,

Jay

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