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donaho1(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:49 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

When I started flying in 1983 there were three of us flying out of 

Numidia International. (small grass strip) As of today there are 

still three of us flying from there. Over the years one or two people 

have flown out of there for a year or two, then they just fade away. 

There has never been any new, young, blood show up, all older pilots. 

There`s just not much interest from young people around here, that 

want to learn to fly. I don`t know why that is, but it is. I`m 59 

years old, and I`m the young pup at our air strip. How is the 

enthusiasm other places? Lanny N598LF

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Lack of pilots

I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young guys are more into video games and computers. If they want to fly, there is a game or simulation that would satisfy that desire without having to spend money on a plane or lessons. Cell phones and ipods seem to satisfy everything they need.



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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: Lack of pilots

Guys, here in central Florida, there are many young pilots. I went to highschool where I met 4 other aviation enthusiasts. All 5 of us obtained our pilots licenses by our senior year. As for me, I am only 20 years old and have owned two aircraft. My first plane was a FSII amphib and my current is a SeaRey amphibian. In the last 2 years, I have gone from student pilot, to SeaRey Technical Administrator, to an aircraft owner, to an aircraft broker specializing in amphibious aircraft. As for my friends, we still "hang out" and fly on a daily and weekly basis. The SeaRey community loves us youngsters (I think). Anyways, maybe we need to send some youngsters your way!



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 I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young guys are more into video games and computers. If they want to fly, there is a game or simulation that would satisfy that desire without having to spend money on a plane or lessons. Cell phones and ipods seem to satisfy everything they need.

 

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Ralph B

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Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Lack of pilots

Good to hear from guys like you Dan! There is hope for our young people ...



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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Lack of pilots

Related to this I think is the preponderance of fuel guzzling type certificated GA aircraft which are too expensive to fly and maintain for many of us. 



I just moved to a different airport last month. My Slingshot is one of only two experimental aircraft on the field with at least 40, maybe 50 aircraft that call this airport home. The other experimental is a 582 powered weight shift and I've never seen it fly, probably due to the perpetual high wind conditions here. Can't imagine anyone flying a weigh-shift here except near dawn or dusk. Walking through the community (open interior) T-hangar I see several airplanes with flat tires and covered in dust.... long ago out of annual.



The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying).  Local 100LL price is $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is $65/hr.

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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:01 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

It's a sad day when the hourly rate for an A&P mechanic is cheaper than the local auto repair shop.  And the A&P is a road call, too.  I just got quoted $900 to $1,500 to change the heater core on a 1998 Jeep Cherokee.  The core costs $60.  Guess which quote I'm going with.  I also think the comments about kids and video games are correct.  On the other hand, we do need pilots for the Predator and Reaper drones.

  

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jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:23 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote:

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The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to 

do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying).  Local 100LL price is 
	


$4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is 

$65/hr.

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Thom,



Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens.  I don't 

see other people at the airport but one.  He is retired and purchased a 

C-150 so that he could keep flyng.  The other day, he was complaining and 

made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money 

does."



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Lack of pilots

Jack,



That is one way to look at it. Another way is that lack of money is what keeps an airplane down. Same same. Not a cheap hobby even when burning auto fuel, but I can't imagine not flying, no matter the cost. For me, it is an addiction like drugs or smokes are for some, and I can't wait until my next fix. I'm Jonesing for some decent flying weather.

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

No bucks, no Buck Rogers. "The Right Stuff".

Rick Girard

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		  The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to

 do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying).  Local 100LL price is

 $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is

 $65/hr.

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 Thom,

 Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens.  I don't

 see other people at the airport but one.  He is retired and purchased a

 C-150 so that he could keep flyng.  The other day, he was complaining and

 made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money

 does."

 Jack B. Hart FF004

 Winchester, IN

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

The irony is the $$$ that have been pumped into the sleepy little airports so they could have

5000' runways and the flying population has diminished to nearly invisible.  I doubt it will ever return

to what it was.  The south is doing better than the north in hanging on to the sport.

There are only a handful of my old flying friends still doing it.  -and if you mention any of the

kit planes they mutter under their breath.  I have one neighbor who flew and owned all sorts of good

general av aircraft and decided, after various health issues, to get a flightstar. Smart guy.

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On 6, May 2010, at 2:23 PM, Jack B. Hart wrote:

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 At 04:47 AM 5/6/10 -0700, you wrote:

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> The Lack of Money to feed and maintain these aircraft may have something to 

 do with the Lack of Pilots (actually flying).  Local 100LL price is 

 $4.90/gallon. Just 5 nm away at KBUF, it is $6.01. Going rate for an A&P is 

 $65/hr.

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 Thom,

 Randoph County Airport is small, but it has several hangar queens.  I don't 

 see other people at the airport but one.  He is retired and purchased a 

 C-150 so that he could keep flyng.  The other day, he was complaining and 

 made the comment that "Bernoulli principle does not hold up a plane, money 

 does."

 Jack B. Hart FF004

 Winchester, IN

lcottrell

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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: Lack of pilots

I know for me it was the money. I tried, (read checked)  several times into getting a pilots certificate, and could never afford  it.  Finally the "UL"s" got good enough to make it interesting, and I  borrowed money from my 401 K to buy a Firestar II. It still took me 10 years and  6 months to get my Sport Pilot certificate. It is just too costly for a regular  working guy to get into it.  Quite frankly the cost of some of these Light  Sport planes (100 K ) is such that if I had that kind of money I would buy a go  fast GA plane.

  

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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: Lack of pilots

--- On Thu, 6/5/10, Ralph B <ul15(at)juno.com> wrote:

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From: Ralph B <ul15(at)juno.com>

Subject: Re: Lack of pilots

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, 6 May, 2010, 2:17

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph B" <[url=/mc/compose?to=ul15(at)juno.com]ul15(at)juno.com[/url]>

I've noticed the same thing in recent years. I think the young guys are more into video games and computers. If they want to fly, there is a game or simulation that would satisfy that desire without having to spend money on a plane or lessons. Cell phones and ipods seem to satisfy everything they need.

Ralph

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Visiting my old gliding  club recently the CFI told me that they now have to sit any prospective member down and explain to him that he could hurt himself gliding. Good grief! We have a generation who have never fallen from a tree and boken an arm or even grazed a knee or an elbow. Playgrounds are covered in rubber not asphalt. They are not allowed in a canoe whithout a lifejacket

. A youngster on TV the other day said ``If I fall over my Mum rushes up and says Are you hurt darling , are you sure you are alright. My Gran says `Get up`.

Cheers

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aoldman(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: Lack of pilots

We are paying $9.44  US a gallon for our fuel down here . We still manage to 

convert lots of it into smily faces .

But I know what you are talking about, fuel has simply become a easy cash 

cow for our govements.Tax Tax Tax



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flypoker(at)windstream.ne
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months 

of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up 

3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy,  most wanted auto 

pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked.  Only a couple 

wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford 

to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going 

somewhere instead of actual time in the air.



So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night.



Jerry

SE Missouri

williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:47 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

Jerry- Congratulations.  Details on the plane?

  

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Thom Riddle

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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Lack of pilots

Jerry,



That sounds familiar. 



At the airport I just moved from, there is a very old flying club that currently owns 4 airplanes, a Cherokee 140, an Archer, a C172 and a Cherokee Six. Most stay fairly busy during the summer except for the Cherokee Six which is for sale for that reason. Over the last few years a couple guys proposed over and over that they replace one of the gas guzzlers with a used LSA but the "management" won't hear of it. And yet they want to sell the Six because "nobody can afford to fly it".  



For several years (before the big fuel cost increase a couple years ago) they had a waiting list for membership. Now they have several openings but are primarily looking for student pilots who tend to fly more than already certificated pilots.  



In this part of the world there seems to be a mindset among existing pilots adamantly against LSA for reasons beyond my ability to understand. And yet, at this very same airport there is an active flight school with two C172s and a Navigator 600 (SLSA from Poland). Guess which airplane gets the most use by student pilots? You guessed it, the SLSA. But the flying club remains deaf, dumb and blind.



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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:19 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

Jerry, 

  

   What town are at in Missouri?  I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south of Lake of the Ozarks.

  

 Mike Welch

 MkIII CX

 

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 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Lack of pilots

 Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:33:20 -0500

 

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jerry Deckard" <flypoker(at)windstream.net>

 

 At my local airport, they/we are trying to start a flying club. After months 

 of talking it finally got down to 8-10 people that were willing to put up 

 3-4K to buy a plane. When it came to deciding what to buy, most wanted auto 

 pilot, min 180hp fancy gps etc.... That's when I walked. Only a couple 

 wanted a 150 or older 172 to keep cost low so that we could actually afford 

 to fly the thing. Most were more interested in looking like they were going 

 somewhere instead of actual time in the air.

 

 So I took my investment and bought a Firestar, just got it home last night.

 

 Jerry

 SE Missouri > 

 

 

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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Lack of pilots

I used to have a C 150 that I kept tied down at a local airport. At times I would stop to talk to a teacher who hangered his plane at the same airport. This teacher also did light contracting work summers. He made two comments that seem to be a national trend with young people. The first was that he had given up trying to hire students as they would only show up a for day or two. The second was that he has taken more kids for rides in his Skipper than he could number. When the ride was over the kids would be all excited and ask what they needed to do to become pilots. When he outlined the process that would be the end of it.

flypoker(at)windstream.ne
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:45 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

I am near Poplar Bluff. I have 1200' strip at home.  

 Jerry

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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: Lack of pilots

What town are at in Missouri?   I'm in Camdenton, just slightly south of Lake of the  Ozarks.

 

Mike Welch

MkIII CX

 

  

  

 Mike W/Gang:

  

 For the past 4 years, returning from  the Rock House, Oregon, I have spent the last night out at Neosho Airport, MO,  119 miles SW of Camdenton.  In fact, last year I spent two nights at Neosho  because of weather.  

  

 A great little airport and  manager.

  

 There is another good airport 23  miles south of Camdenton, at Lebanon.  I spent the night there on the way  to Alaska in 2001.  They have a daily covered dish lunch each day.   Let me sleep in the FBO.

  

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 mkIII

 Titus,  Alabama

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