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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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 Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
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With 2 radios you can adjust volumes to listen to one more carefully than the other, for example, if you are listening to an ATIS frequency, you can turn down the center freq a little and up the ATIS frequency, while still able to hopefully catch your N-number if they call you, but you don't have to ask permission to leave the freq that way. With one radio, to actually be able to listen to an ATIS, you need to make it primary so the primary doesn't squelch it. If you are tuning to an ATIS earlier than necessary to see if it is within range, then that on the standby frequency would work perfectly because it will receive during any break on the primary frequency so you know that it is within range.
A GNS-430 and SL-40, IMHO, is a good combination. I would certainly recommend a second GPS receiver somewhere, either with the Dynon SkyView, the AFS or the GRT, or one of the many handhelds available. It is not certified for IFR, but if you were IFR and lost your GNS-430, then at least you can use the situational awareness from the backup(s) to stay alive, even though it's not certified. I know there are procedures for COM failure, but there are so many better options, IMHO, if you have a second COM. I like having a second NAV as well, but very few people that I know who are flying with a GNS ever even tune a NAV unless they are just practicing, or enroute just as backup. Maybe we're the minority.
Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far last place)
My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV (with NAV as a far last place)
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
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On May 7, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
frequency if 1st is busy.
I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
so might as well put one in if you have space.
I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
complexity.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:
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> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going with one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have noticed that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is ATC, especially when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day of flying, with one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen to ATIS.
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
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1. Only practice
2. VFR Autopilot, second GPS, second comm, second nav
3. IFR Second GPS, Autopilot, second comm, second nav
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rleffler
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
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Q1. Mostly practice
Q2. Autopilot, second com, second nav, second non-TSO GPS. I'm not sure
this is really a ranking. I'm putting them all in my panel.
bob
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
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#1. Yes, frequently, especially now that Loran is dead and my Argus
moving map was tied to the Loran.
2. 2nd com, 2nd nav, autopilot, portable GPS.
Those are for existing TC aircraft. I'm sure I will have differing
ranking in RV-10 with PFD, MFD, TSO GPS, etc.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:
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Q1. Mostly practice
Q2. Autopilot, second com, second nav, second non-TSO GPS. I'm not sure
this is really a ranking. I'm putting them all in my panel.
bob
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Jim Combs
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
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I have a 430W driving the AFS 4500 and I have a second $38 serial GPS receiver driving the AFS 3500 and AP.
The $30 GPS receiver is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Serial-GPS-Reciever-Cable-Kit/dp/B000VUFGF8
Works like a champ and is a great backup should the 430W fail. It is mounted under the cowling along with the 430W and XM weather antennas.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>
#1. Yes, frequently, especially now that Loran is dead and my Argus
moving map was tied to the Loran.
2. 2nd com, 2nd nav, autopilot, portable GPS.
Those are for existing TC aircraft. I'm sure I will have differing
ranking in RV-10 with PFD, MFD, TSO GPS, etc.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:
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> Q1. Mostly practice
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> Q2. Autopilot, second com, second nav, second non-TSO GPS. I'm not sure
> this is really a ranking. I'm putting them all in my panel.
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> bob
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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
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1: Nav1 for approaches and entertainment purposes on long X/Cs. Sadly Nav2 mostly for storing backup freqs. Our lowest approach at home is a localizer that's used regularly. The nearest ILS recently got an LPV down to the same minimums.
2: 2nd GPS Receiver (XM and approach plates), Auto Pilot, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
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Watsonville, CA 95076
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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far last place)
My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV (with NAV as a far last place)
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