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bhughes(at)qnsi.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

After sanding the  doors into place I have almost no material left on the bottom of the doors where  they were glued together. I have some separations that will require a couple of  layers of glass to re-bond. I am well inside the bottom scribe lines. Did anyone  else need to sand this far to make the doors fit. I have been looking at it for  a week now and I do not see where I could have done anything different except  maybe take more off the cabin top at the base of the doors. 

  

 Bobby

 40116

coop85(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Bobby,  

   I too had to cut well inside the scribe lines so you may not have a problem there as long as the door fits well.  I commented to my self several times that the scribe lines weren’t all that accurate.  

   

As for the separations you might want to try and just inject some resin in the gaps rather than add glass which will be tough to get as smooth as the door itself due to the extra thickness.  

   

Marcus  

40286  

do not archive  

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bhughes(at)qnsi.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Marcus,

  

 Visited by another RV10 builder this afternoon. He quickly  pointed out my problem. The start of the problem was that I did not lower the  cabin top enough on the fuse. I left it up about 1/8" higher than it needed to  be. So guess where my missing 1/8" went. Not a big deal but I will need to add  it back to the bottom of the door and sand down and re-bevel the bottom door  frame. This will also give me the bottom edge needed to place the door seal on  the bottom of the door.

  

 Bobby

 (fiberglass - love/ hate thing)



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus  Cooper

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:34 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Fiber Glass thickness  at Door Bottoms.

 

  

Bobby, 

   I too had  to cut well inside the scribe lines so you may not have a problem there as long  as the door fits well.  I commented to my self several times that the  scribe lines weren’t all that accurate. 

  

As for the separations  you might want to try and just inject some resin in the gaps rather than add  glass which will be tough to get as smooth as the door itself due to the extra  thickness. 

  

Marcus 

40286 

do not  archive 

-----Original  Message-----

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby J. Hughes

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:35  PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Fiber Glass thickness  at Door Bottoms. 

   

After sanding the doors into place I  have almost no material left on the bottom of the doors where they were glued  together. I have some separations that will require a couple of layers of glass  to re-bond. I am well inside the bottom scribe lines. Did anyone else need to  sand this far to make the doors fit. I have been looking at it for a week now  and I do not see where I could have done anything different except maybe take  more off the cabin top at the base of the doors. 

  

 

  

Bobby

  

40116

capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Bob, I took an epoxy syringe from west marine and drilled small holes above the joint and pumped in thickened epoxy, then just filled the holes (#30). It Ended up making a fillet inside the door frame. I also pumped in expanding urethane foam into the larger cavities to insulate and glue. Just be careful not to guppy the thing……..the expanding foam can easily deform the door. It didn’t add much weight but it really seems to give the door a more solid feel…..  

Fwiw  

Steve dinieri  

40205  

   

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rick.conti(at)boeing.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Bobby,  

   

Please help me understand, as I have trimmed my top but have not fitted the doors.  The doors are hinged on the roof and close (it appears) on the bottom of the roof.  I don’t understand how not having the roof flush to on the fuselage would effect the doors.  It appears they can be fitted even if the roof were sitting on a bench.  

     

Thank You 

 Rick Conti 

 Senior Engineering Manager 

 The Boeing Company 

           office: 703 - 414 - 6141 

 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134   

        

  

From: Bobby J. Hughes [mailto:bhughes(at)qnsi.net] 

 Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:59 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.  

  

   

Marcus,  

   

Visited by another RV10 builder this afternoon. He quickly pointed out my problem. The start of the problem was that I did not lower the cabin top enough on the fuse. I left it up about 1/8" higher than it needed to be. So guess where my missing 1/8" went. Not a big deal but I will need to add it back to the bottom of the door and sand down and re-bevel the bottom door frame. This will also give me the bottom edge needed to place the door seal on the bottom of the door.  

   

Bobby  

(fiberglass - love/ hate thing)  

       

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper

 Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:34 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.  

Bobby,  

   I too had to cut well inside the scribe lines so you may not have a problem there as long as the door fits well.  I commented to my self several times that the scribe lines weren’t all that accurate.  

   

As for the separations you might want to try and just inject some resin in the gaps rather than add glass which will be tough to get as smooth as the door itself due to the extra thickness.  

   

Marcus  

40286  

do not archive  

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Rick,



This is my guess after reading that and trying to remember that step...

The door is positioned on the airframe using holes in tabs on the

outside edges of the doors in a couple spots.  They go into rivet

holes in the fuselage.



So, if you don't trim the "threshold" area of the door (the underside

of it) enough, then it won't sit down on the fuselage as far as

it should.  You would also likely notice that the seam of the canopy

to aluminum under the rear windows would tend to have a gap and

sit high, although it seems like it's a bit normal to have a small

amount more gap near the doors than at the rear of the canopy.



At any rate, if the canopy is high, but the doors are referenced to

the fuselage, then you'd end up with the doors in slightly the wrong

place on the canopy top.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Conti, Rick wrote:

[quote] Bobby,

 

  

 

 Please help me understand, as I have trimmed my top but have not fitted 

 the doors.  The doors are hinged on the roof and close (it appears) on 

 the bottom of the roof.  I don’t understand how not having the roof 

 flush to on the fuselage would effect the doors.  It appears they can be 

 fitted even if the roof were sitting on a bench.

 

  

 

 Thank You

 *Rick Conti*

 */Senior Engineering Manager/*

 */The Boeing Company/*

 *          office: 703 - 414 - 6141*

 *blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134*

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* Bobby J. Hughes [mailto:bhughes(at)qnsi.net]

 *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2006 7:59 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

 

  

 

 Marcus,

 

  

 

 Visited by another RV10 builder this afternoon. He quickly pointed out 

 my problem. The start of the problem was that I did not lower the cabin 

 top enough on the fuse. I left it up about 1/8" higher than it needed to 

 be. So guess where my missing 1/8" went. Not a big deal but I will need 

 to add it back to the bottom of the door and sand down and re-bevel the 

 bottom door frame. This will also give me the bottom edge needed to 

 place the door seal on the bottom of the door.

 

  

 

 Bobby

 

 (fiberglass - love/ hate thing)

 

  

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Cooper

 *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2006 5:34 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

 

 Bobby,

 

    I too had to cut well inside the scribe lines so you may not have a 

 problem there as long as the door fits well.  I commented to my self 

 several times that the scribe lines weren’t all that accurate.

 

  

 

 As for the separations you might want to try and just inject some resin 

 in the gaps rather than add glass which will be tough to get as smooth 

 as the door itself due to the extra thickness.

 

  

 

 Marcus

 

 40286

 

 do not archive

 

 --

bhughes(at)qnsi.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Rick,

  

 Since you put it that way it does not make since. My top  sitting 1/8" higher does not effect the door bottom fit. It made since yesterday  ...... But removing material from the "top" of the bottom door frame will  still be required in my case. Thanks for the correction. 

  

 Bobby

 40116



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Conti,  Rick

Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:46 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Fiber Glass thickness  at Door Bottoms.

 

  

Bobby, 

  

Please help  me understand, as I have trimmed my top but have not fitted the doors.  The  doors are hinged on the roof and close (it appears) on the bottom of the roof.   I don’t understand how not having the roof flush to on the fuselage would  effect the doors.  It appears they can be fitted even if the roof were  sitting on a bench. 

   

Thank You 

Rick  Conti  

Senior  Engineering Manager 

The  Boeing Company  

           office: 703 - 414 - 6141 

blackberry: 571 - 215  - 6134  

    

 

From: Bobby J.  Hughes [mailto:bhughes(at)qnsi.net] 

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:59  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Fiber Glass  thickness at Door Bottoms.

 

  

Marcus, 

  

Visited by another RV10  builder this afternoon. He quickly pointed out my problem. The start of the  problem was that I did not lower the cabin top enough on the fuse. I left it up  about 1/8" higher than it needed to be. So guess where my missing 1/8" went. Not  a big deal but I will need to add it back to the bottom of the door and sand  down and re-bevel the bottom door frame. This will also give me the bottom edge  needed to place the door seal on the bottom of the  door. 

  

Bobby 

(fiberglass - love/  hate thing) 

    

 

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:34  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Fiber Glass  thickness at Door Bottoms. 

Bobby, 

   I too had  to cut well inside the scribe lines so you may not have a problem there as long  as the door fits well.  I commented to my self several times that the  scribe lines weren’t all that accurate. 

  

As for the separations  you might want to try and just inject some resin in the gaps rather than add  glass which will be tough to get as smooth as the door itself due to the extra  thickness. 

  

Marcus 

40286 

do not  archive 

-----Original  Message-----

From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby J. Hughes

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:35  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Fiber Glass thickness  at Door Bottoms. 

   

After sanding the doors into place I  have almost no material left on the bottom of the doors where they were glued  together. I have some separations that will require a couple of layers of glass  to re-bond. I am well inside the bottom scribe lines. Did anyone else need to  sand this far to make the doors fit. I have been looking at it for a week now  and I do not see where I could have done anything different except maybe take  more off the cabin top at the base of the doors.  

  

 

  

Bobby

  

40116

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

This is not at all a precise measurement, but I'd guess that my

thickness of the threshold area of the door was about 3/16 to

1/4" thick at most.  When you sand the bottom "lip" of the door

frame area off, it should be pretty thin and sit flat on the

aluminum door entry area.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Bobby J. Hughes wrote:

[quote] Rick,

  

 Since you put it that way it does not make since. My top sitting 1/8" 

 higher does not effect the door bottom fit. It made since yesterday 

 ...... But removing material from the "top" of the bottom door frame 

 will still be required in my case. Thanks for the correction.

  

 Bobby

 40116

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Conti, Rick

 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:46 AM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

 

 Bobby,

 

  

 

 Please help me understand, as I have trimmed my top but have not fitted 

 the doors.  The doors are hinged on the roof and close (it appears) on 

 the bottom of the roof.  I don’t understand how not having the roof 

 flush to on the fuselage would effect the doors.  It appears they can be 

 fitted even if the roof were sitting on a bench.

 

  

 

 Thank You

 *Rick Conti*

 */Senior Engineering Manager/*

 */The Boeing Company/*

 *          office: 703 - 414 - 6141*

 *blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134*

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* Bobby J. Hughes [mailto:bhughes(at)qnsi.net]

 *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2006 7:59 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

 

  

 

 Marcus,

 

  

 

 Visited by another RV10 builder this afternoon. He quickly pointed out 

 my problem. The start of the problem was that I did not lower the cabin 

 top enough on the fuse. I left it up about 1/8" higher than it needed to 

 be. So guess where my missing 1/8" went. Not a big deal but I will need 

 to add it back to the bottom of the door and sand down and re-bevel the 

 bottom door frame. This will also give me the bottom edge needed to 

 place the door seal on the bottom of the door.

 

  

 

 Bobby

 

 (fiberglass - love/ hate thing)

 

  

 

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcus Cooper

 *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2006 5:34 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

 

 Bobby,

 

    I too had to cut well inside the scribe lines so you may not have a 

 problem there as long as the door fits well.  I commented to my self 

 several times that the scribe lines weren’t all that accurate.

 

  

 

 As for the separations you might want to try and just inject some resin 

 in the gaps rather than add glass which will be tough to get as smooth 

 as the door itself due to the extra thickness.

 

  

 

 Marcus

 

 40286

 

 do not archive

 

 --

bhughes(at)qnsi.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Tim,



Below the bottom windows is where I am sitting 1/8" high. You

speculation about the holes use for fitting the door may be correct

after all. All I know is I will be add and removing more fiberglass 



Bobby



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bhughes(at)qnsi.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

I am guessing mine is about 1/4". But the other builder who looked at it

said it was much thicker than his.



Bobby 



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rick.conti(at)boeing.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: Fiber Glass thickness at Door Bottoms.

Got it, thanks.



DO NOT ARCHIVE



Thank You

Rick Conti

Senior Engineering Manager

The Boeing Company

          office: 703 - 414 - 6141

blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134

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