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Jerry Grimmonpre'
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 144
Location: Huntley, Illinois 60142
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 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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Dear Listers ...
I bought a partially complete kit. The building manual was not all there
and I'm, therefore, not sure which step to begin next. There are several
places where rivets are not installed (pending steps to take, in sequence
I'm sure).
I would like to learn from this vast group of builders:
What should I do to make sure I begin at the next step to keep the sequence
of steps in order? It wouldn't be smart to get to a place then find several
rivets need drilled-out to install something else.
I don't mind buying a new build manual if that's called for, or replacing
missing prints.
What would you gents do in this case?
Many thank for your answers ...
Jerry
jerry(at)mc.net
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johnciolino(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:03 pm Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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Jerry,
I would recommend you buy the manual and plod through the building process
step by step from the beginning. Many of the tasks will be completed but you
will have the comfort of verifying that for yourself and not just hoping the
original builder did it. At least it will be a lot faster verifying the
original builder's work than having to fabricate, assemble, and rivet
yourself.
In order to keep from having to drill out perfectly good rivets to install
another part, you have to have an understanding of the entire process. As
Van advises, read ahead in the manual and study the plans so you know where
the project is going before you get there. If all this sounds a little
esoteric, it is but you will join the group (after you drill out a few
perfectly good rivets to install another part) 
Good Luck
John Ciolino
RV-8
68.02 hours!!
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geezer02(at)windstream.ne
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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Buy the manual and I hope you have the complete plans, as you will need them. Then study them before drilling or driving a rivet.
Louis
RV- 8 completion some day
---- Jerry Grimmonpre <jerry(at)mc.net> wrote:
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Dear Listers ...
I bought a partially complete kit. The building manual was not all there
and I'm, therefore, not sure which step to begin next. There are several
places where rivets are not installed (pending steps to take, in sequence
I'm sure).
I would like to learn from this vast group of builders:
What should I do to make sure I begin at the next step to keep the sequence
of steps in order? It wouldn't be smart to get to a place then find several
rivets need drilled-out to install something else.
I don't mind buying a new build manual if that's called for, or replacing
missing prints.
What would you gents do in this case?
Many thank for your answers ...
Jerry
jerry(at)mc.net
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flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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I also bought a partially completed kit but had the help of the previous builder to get me started and on track.
I would ask some other builders to look at what you have and where you are and give you some guidance. There are some tasks the are sequential but many stand on there own as a sub assembly or task. The builders manual is no detailed. I refer to the plans for most information. Both the manual and/or plans will have references to the plane you're not building 8 or 8A and that's a little confusing at first. I went through a put a X through pages / sections that didn't apply to me.
The Ornduff videos http://www.fly-gbi.com/ were a big help to me too.
Find a buddy that’s built one!
Good Luck,
Bob Christensen - RV-8 - N83RC about ready for paint!
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Dear Listers ..
I bought a partially complete kit. The building manual was not all there
and I'm, therefore, not sure which step to begin next. There are several
places where rivets are not installed (pending steps to take, in sequence
I'm sure).
I would like to learn from this vast group of builders:
What should I do to make sure I begin at the next step to keep the sequence
of steps in order? It wouldn't be smart to get to a place then find several
rivets need drilled-out to install something else.
I don't mind buying a new build manual if that's called for, or replacing
missing prints.
What would you gents do in this case?
Many thank for your answers ...
Jerry
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dan.pat.b(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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JERRY:BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE YOU IS BUY THE MANUAL AND DRAWINGS. DO LOTS OF READING AND STUDY THE DRAWINGS CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU GET GOING. IT'LL BE TIME WELL SPENT.
DAN BERGERON
RV-7A - N307TB
150 HOURS SINCE FIRST
FLIGHT ON 08/04/09
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Buy the manual and I hope you have the complete plans, as you will need them. Then study them before drilling or driving a rivet.
Louis
RV- 8 completion some day
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> Dear Listers ...
> I bought a partially complete kit. The building manual was not all there
> and I'm, therefore, not sure which step to begin next. There are several
> places where rivets are not installed (pending steps to take, in sequence
> I'm sure).
>
> I would like to learn from this vast group of builders:
> What should I do to make sure I begin at the next step to keep the sequence
> of steps in order? It wouldn't be smart to get to a place then find several
> rivets need drilled-out to install something else.
>
> I don't mind buying a new build manual if that's called for, or replacing
> missing prints.
>
> What would you gents do in this case?
> Many thank for your answers ...
> Jerry
> jerry(at)mc.net (jerry(at)mc.net)
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Speedy11(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:35 am Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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Jerry,
I concur. Buy the manual. If nothing more, it provides you information and some semblance of order. I did not follow the manual exactly because I had a QB, but it was somewhat helpful.
You can see much of my building process in what my brother calls the dead sea scrolls on my web site at www.rv-8a.net. You can also review problems discovered post flying that can be avoided if realized during the building process. I am solving some problems as I do my first annual condition inspection that could have been avoided.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
| Quote: | Dear Listers ...
I bought a partially complete kit. The building manual was not all there
and I'm, therefore, not sure which step to begin next. There are several
places where rivets are not installed (pending steps to take, in sequence
I'm sure).
I would like to learn from this vast group of builders:
What should I do to make sure I begin at the next step to keep the sequence
of steps in order? It wouldn't be smart to get to a place then find several
rivets need drilled-out to install something else.
I don't mind buying a new build manual if that's called for, or replacing
missing prints.
What would you gents do in this case?
Many thank for your answers ...
Jerry
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petercowper(at)att.net
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: RV8A Building Question |
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Jerry,
You will quickly find that that builders manual gives you the building
sequence so you don't get too far ahead and have to drill rivets out to get
a later part to fit. The plans show each part that the manual refers to, but
it you can't find the named part in the multi=page plans there is a section
at the front of the builders manual with each part number and the page of
the plans you will find it on which limits how many pages of plans you need
to thumb through to find the part to see what it looks like so you can
rummage through your box of new parts to find it.
The George & Becki Orndorff tapes are really great to show what the builders
manual is talking about as George holds the part up, explains what needs to
be done to the part and how it fits to the other parts and to the airframe.
His early tail sections show every step in drilling deburring, dimpling and
fitting and riveting the part. As the tapes progress (as your experience
will also) he speeds up the assembly tasks as you have gained experience.
The tapes are really well worth it to bring the excellent builder's manual
and plans "to life" if you have been a deskbound pencil pusher all your life
like me and your mother made you take college prep courses with no machine
shop and auto shop back in high school.
If you start at the beginning of the builders manual and identify each part
in succession to see if it is attached to the airframe you should be able to
work up to the next part that is still in the unused parts box where you
will restart the building process. I check off each step in my builders
manual with the date I did that task so I know where I left off and if there
is something I skipped and need to go back to later so I don't forget it.
The other posters are correct that you will have checked over the assembly
done so far and have a better understanding of how it was assembled. If the
rivet heads look decent just keep going and don't get locked into perfection
rather than functionality or you will be grey-haired like me and still
puttering away and not flying like Matt Dralle who seems to have built his
plane and has it in the air in only a couple of years!
Remember . . . "Experimental aviation is a way of life, not necessarily a
means of transportation."
Pete Cowper
RV-8 #81139 (working on the fuselage forward belly skins)
Visalia Municipal Airport, Hanger B-5
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