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Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggest

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Mark,  

   

Here is how we drilled and attached our canopy (no cracks)!!  

   

1. We heated the garage to about 90 degress 6 hours prior to starting to   

work.  

   

2. We drilled the initial holes with a #40  

   

3. Opened up the #40 hole to the proper size with a Uni-Bit (single flute no   

grabbing!  

   

When we installed the canopy and shirt we use semi-weld (Pro-seal) in   

caulking type tube that premixes it ( you'll need to use/borrow a   

specialized caulking type gun to use the tubed material. We used minimal alu   

pop rivets (mostly as keeper riviets). The semi-weld method is the same as   

used on the Christian Eagles and Pits (without any rivets). You can also   

paint the semi-weld after.  

   

Works and looks great and has some ability to flex (read deal with stress,  

   

Good Building,  

   

Chuck & Dave Rowbotham  

RV-8A (Nianitc, CT)  

       

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of MLWynn(at)aol.com (MLWynn(at)aol.com)

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 Subject: Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion  

  

  

     

Hey gents,  

    

   

    

I am at the same spot.  Have been considering sikaflex (how I did the canopy) and 3M 5200.  Where in the archives would I find this information?  

    

   

    

Regards,  

    

Michael Wynn  

    

RV 8 Finishing  

    

San Ramon, CA  

    

   

      

In a message dated 6/17/2010 10:54:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, crowbotham(at)hotmail.com (crowbotham(at)hotmail.com) writes:  

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Hi Robin,

  

 We used the same adhensive that Christian Eagle uses on our 8A. The complete details with product info are in the archives. The  RV was hangered in CT and flown on a regular basis through out the year over nine years - No cracks and no change in the seal. 

  

 Hope this helps - Keep at it - it's really worth the effort!

  

 Chuck & Dave Rowbotham

 RV-8A (Sold)

 RV-9A (Dave's building)

        

  

From: robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com

 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:03:30 -0700

 Subject: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion

 To: rv-8list(at)matronics.com (rv-8list(at)matronics.com)    

It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?  

   

Thanks,  

Robin  

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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggest

 

  

  

 robin,

 10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started.  I procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie rivets or adhesive.  I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the adhesive process.  That was a mistake.  No matter how careful you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet points.

  This forced me to stop drill the cracks.   I have watched other installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks.  I noticed after flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates substantially with weather changes, especially  in winter and summer.  I live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process.

  Dick Martin

 RV8 

 N233M

 the fast one



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It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?  

  

Thanks, 

Robin

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Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggest

Thanks Dick,  

            This morning we ordered two ordered two 2 oz. kits of Scotch weld from Spruce.  $35 per kit, but I know it's good stuff, we have used it before. I was not going to use rivets. I remember what rivets did to my RV-4 canopy. Nothing will make you cry quicker than seeing your first crack in a perfectly clean canopy.   

   

Thanks,  

Robin  

     

From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Richard Martin

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 Subject: Re: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggestion  

  

     

   

    

   

    

   

    

robin,  

    

10 years ago when I built my RV8, the adhesive process was started.  I procrastinated for several weeks trying to decide which process to use ie rivets or adhesive.  I used rivets because I did not understand or trust the adhesive process.  That was a mistake.  No matter how careful you are during the installation, after 100 hours cracks begin to appear from the rivet points.  

    

This forced me to stop drill the cracks.   I have watched other installations with adhesive, and I don't see cracks.  I noticed after flyinng 2000 hours on my RV8 that the canopy contracts and elongates substantially with weather changes, especially  in winter and summer.  I live in Wisconsin and it gets cold here in winter. I hope this experience helps you with your decission. I vote for the adhesive process.  

    

Dick Martin  

    

RV8   

    

N233M  

    

the fast one  

    

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com (robin(at)painttheweb.com)> wrote:      

It is time for us to attach the skirt to the canopy frame where the plans call for pop rivets. Is there a preferred or alternate choice to pop rivets (we hope)? Something like epoxy that has been proven to work?  

   

Thanks,  

Robin  

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bgray(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggest

Over here in the plastic airplane world, the rule is to never drill holes in plexiglass.  

     

Bruce

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Robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: Alternate way to Attach RV-8 Skirt to Canopy Frame Suggest

Unless you want to stop a crack (probably from the hole you drilled in the plexiglass!)  

Scotch Weld it is, no drilling required.  

   

Robin  

Do Not Archive  

       

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Over here in the plastic airplane world, the rule is to never drill holes in plexiglass.  

     

Bruce

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