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rlborger(at)mac.com
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 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: Hose & Fittings |
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Good evening Tony,
Yes, Speedflow is the same brand I've been using recently.
Right about the Aeroquip 666. It's not for mere mortals to assemble those hose parts. You MUST have all the special tools to do it. So I had all my 666 hoses made up for me. Not inexpensive! That's why I like Earl's. Good teflon hose in standard lengths with standard AN flared tube fittings. Or you can go the Speedflow route and make up your own hose for things like brakes. No special tools needed. I think that Earl's even has "How To" videos on the Speedflow fittings.
I'm still trying to get a small leak fixed at the banjo end on the brake caliper. Not sure what's wrong. I'm going to try copper crush washers tomorrow morning to see if that works better than the aluminum ones I have been trying. And I'm afraid to really crank down on the banjo bolt for fear of stripping the threads on that (expen$ive) aluminum caliper body.
My prop is a standard Airmaster AP332 with AC200 controller. Works great. Because it's electric, it can be a bit slow on the adjust so you don't want to make rapid MP increase in fine pitch. But otherwise it's great in climb and cruise. Really makes the most of the 914. And the Airmaster folks are fantastic to deal with.
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046
Europa Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jun 17, 2010, at 21:40, Tony Renshaw wrote:
| Quote: | Gidday Bob,
I have a bunch of fittings such as you describe. They are called Speedflow here in Aussie, and they are sold in Uk too. Just like Earls fittings. I thought to use the 666 Teflon lined hose you needed a special tool to build the fittings, but as you infer, better to get someone to make them up for you, albeit probably expensive. The car racing parts supply business seems to suck your money right out of your wallet as soon as you enter their store.
So, I look forward to more updates if that is ok. I can chase them down from the list like anyone else, but if there is anything specific you'd be happy to share, pls beam it over.
Reg
Tony Renshaw
PS. What prop are you swinging?
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frans(at)privatepilots.nl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: Hose & Fittings |
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On 06/20/2010 04:09 AM, Robert Borger wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, Speedflow is the same brand I've been using recently.
Right about the Aeroquip 666. It's not for mere mortals to assemble
those hose parts.
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Talking about hose & fittings, you seem to be the right guy to direct my
question to. Others are invited to answer too, of course.
For my oil system I have pretty much used the Europa supplied hoses,
clamps and fittings. But I have always had some reservations to have
rubber hoses attached with a worm clamp to the engine, for such a
critical system.
As my oil cooling system is now finalised and working to my full
satisfaction, I would like to replace all the hoses, fittings and clamps
by something better.
I'm a newbie in hoses, fittings and clamps, and the available options
dazzle me. Furthermore, I have no clue what the names of the fittings of
the oil cooler are, the oil tank, etc. and I'm likely to order the wrong
parts. I see confusing AN-x parts, metric sizes, thread dimensions, etc.
So, three questions here:
1) What kind of system (brand) is the best I can use.
2) Has anyone who went the same route, a list with the proper names of
the fittings and sizes of the various parts of the oil system?
3) Can I order somewhere the correct hoses with the correct fittings
clamped on, ready to fit? (Yes, measuring the required length of the
hoses I can manage.  )
Thanks,
Frans
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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: Hose & Fittings |
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On Jun 20, 2010, at 3:39 AM, Frans Veldman wrote:
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On 06/20/2010 04:09 AM, Robert Borger wrote:
> Yes, Speedflow is the same brand I've been using recently.
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> Right about the Aeroquip 666. It's not for mere mortals to assemble
> those hose parts.
Talking about hose & fittings, you seem to be the right guy to
direct my
question to. Others are invited to answer too, of course.
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Frans,
FWIW, I happily found that making up SS hoses was not a big deal,
though I was thoroughly intimidated when I first looked into them.
I've transitioned from R9 fuel injection hose to SS CPE hose at the
firewall w/ those thruwall fittings. I used items from the XRP
catalogue which also includes at the very end a series of tutorials
about how to install the hose fittings.
http://www.xrp.com/
These fittings seem to be comparable to those in the Earl's catalogue
which, I believe, is sourced in the UK. Taping the ends of the SS
braid before using a Dremel cut off wheel worked well for me, and I
found silicone spray lubricant to be essential. I'm not familar w/
size and compatibility issues relating to the Rotax.
I'm sure that a guy with your talents would not break a sweat making
up your own hoses,
Fred
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rlborger(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: Hose & Fittings |
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Frans,
Working up a non-standard (as in not the way Europa does it) means of plumbing for petrol, oil, water and brake is not for the faint of heart.
After my trials and tribulations in making Aeroquip 666 work for the petrol, I went with stock, by-the-Europa/Rotax-book plumbing for oil and water.
You are right, the myriad means of connecting hose to device can be overwhelming. Often the simple barbed connector is the most expedient if not the most elegant solution.
The only change I made to the cooling system was to use silicone rubber hose in place of the black stuff Europa supplied. I did that because the silicone is for all intent and purpose permanent.
I could provide you with a list of parts that I used on my fuel system, but I doubt that yours is plumbed exactly like mine. You will probably have to work out what you need for your system yourself.
You can find pre-made hose from many auto racing parts houses like Earl's ( http://www.anplumbing.com/ ) and XRP ( http://www.xrp.com/ ) and many other places.
Custom hose will be made up for you by places like Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, etc.
I would suggest that you do not actually remove any part of a functioning system until you are absolutely certain that the pile of parts you think will work will actually work.
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046
Europa Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jun 20, 2010, at 5:39, Frans Veldman wrote:
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On 06/20/2010 04:09 AM, Robert Borger wrote:
> Yes, Speedflow is the same brand I've been using recently.
>
> Right about the Aeroquip 666. It's not for mere mortals to assemble
> those hose parts.
Talking about hose & fittings, you seem to be the right guy to direct my
question to. Others are invited to answer too, of course.
For my oil system I have pretty much used the Europa supplied hoses,
clamps and fittings. But I have always had some reservations to have
rubber hoses attached with a worm clamp to the engine, for such a
critical system.
As my oil cooling system is now finalised and working to my full
satisfaction, I would like to replace all the hoses, fittings and clamps
by something better.
I'm a newbie in hoses, fittings and clamps, and the available options
dazzle me. Furthermore, I have no clue what the names of the fittings of
the oil cooler are, the oil tank, etc. and I'm likely to order the wrong
parts. I see confusing AN-x parts, metric sizes, thread dimensions, etc.
So, three questions here:
1) What kind of system (brand) is the best I can use.
2) Has anyone who went the same route, a list with the proper names of
the fittings and sizes of the various parts of the oil system?
3) Can I order somewhere the correct hoses with the correct fittings
clamped on, ready to fit? (Yes, measuring the required length of the
hoses I can manage. )
Thanks,
Frans
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