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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: New to the list

Builders/Inteneters

     I just yesterday found out about this list so joined.  I am building a ZodiacCH601XL, my first all metal airplane.  I have in the past built the KR-1 and the KR-2 both are composite.  I was a member of the KRNet which is the same as this one, that is a medium where builders of the same aircraft can exchange ideas, solve problems, receive advice from seasoned metal aircraft builders, etc.  This airplane will have a training wheel up front, (I am not qualified in tail draggers) I will use the Jabiru 3300 engine and since it will be built to be a sport aircraft I will not have any IFR instruments.  I would like to know if there are any builders or owners of completed Zodiac XL aircraft in my area.  I am in central Texas.



Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com

Kevin Bonds

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 171
Location: Nashville, Tn

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: New to the list

Take a look at this map. http://www.frappr.com/zenith601

Kevin Bonds



Nashville TN



601XL Corvair powered; Plans building.



Empennage done; working on wings and engine.



http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds



 



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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: New to the list

Hi Bob,



Welcome aboard.



I am building the twin to your plane.  I plan, however, to include 

some gyro instruments for use in the rare times when visual reference 

to the horizon is absent.  This can still be legal VFR, but without 

clear visual reference to the outside world it can be very hard to 

keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down.



Paul

XL wings

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		     I just yesterday found out about this list so joined.  I am 

 building a ZodiacCH601XL, my first all metal airplane.  I have in 

 the past built the KR-1 and the KR-2 both are composite.  I was a 

 member of the KRNet which is the same as this one, that is a medium 

 where builders of the same aircraft can exchange ideas, solve 

 problems, receive advice from seasoned metal aircraft builders, 

 etc.  This airplane will have a training wheel up front, (I am not 

 qualified in tail draggers) I will use the Jabiru 3300 engine and 

 since it will be built to be a sport aircraft I will not have any 

 IFR instruments.  I would like to know if there are any builders or 

 owners of completed Zodiac XL aircraft in my area.  I am in central Texas.



Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com

rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: New to the list

Paul,

     I think you are right, I have had some second thoughts about not 

installing any IFR instruments.  I plan on using the Jabiru 3300 engine and 

I don't know if it has a suction pump or not like the Continental or 

Lycomings do.  If it does not I am going to have to pay almost $2,000.00 for 

an electric attitude indicator.  Any instruments I add that work from air 

being sucked through them will have to be electric and cost a lot more 

money.  I have written to Jabiru, USA and asked them about this and am still 

waiting for an answer.



Bob Stone

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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: New to the list

Bob, I have a vacuum pump on my XL-3300. It attaches to the rear of the 

crankshaft and the engine has mounting points for it. I have to say though if I was 

doing it again I would go electric. Sure the electric DG costs more, but 

consider you buy the vacuum pump, the filter and holder, the vacuum regulator and 

the DG itself and fittings (which cost a fortune) and hoses and the vacuum 

gage itself and then the electric DG doesn't look so costly. Also, there is the 

extra weight and complexity with the system, (more stuff to breakdown or be 

adjusted) not to mention the drag on engine performance for the pump. At some 

point I am planning on a change for my bird. If you still want the system contact 

me off thread and I will make you a deal. FWIW, Best regards, Bill of Georgia 



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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: New to the list

Vacuum pumps suck...In more ways than one. 



I would suggest a large format Dynon is a far better investment than

electric standalone instruments and no moving parts. The Dynon gives

attitude indication and a DG all rolled into one (together with a bunch

of other instruments). That's what is going into my and many other's IFR

RV's. 



I would not even consider going with a vacuum pump whether the engine

can drive one or not..



Frank 



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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: New to the list

Hi Bob,



I believe the Jabiru has the drive port for a vacuum pump but the 

pump is an extra option.  I don't plan to use one, so I am not sure 

about the price but I don't think it is a lot.



There are several options for VFR class instruments.  I plan to go 

with an EFIS which gives complete IFR style information for around 

the price you quoted for one electric gyro.  Also, you don't need 

TSO'd instruments, so you can probably get a much lower price for 

instruments you probably won't use much anyway.



I did a quick look at Aircraft Spruce's web site and came up with two 

alternatives you can consider for under $1000.  I found a non TSO 

Vacuum driven turn and bank indicator around $350 and a vacuum pump 

around $200.  For around $800 you can get an electric turn and bank 

indicator.  With a bit of instrument training you can easily fly out 

of a low visibility situation with one of these instruments and an 

airspeed and altimeter.  The turn and bank is quite sufficient for 

instrument flight and is a lot more dependable than an attitude 

indicator since it is not able to tumble.



Good luck,



Paul

XL wings



At 07:20 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote:

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		  Paul,

      I think you are right, I have had some second thoughts about not

installing any IFR instruments.  I plan on using the Jabiru 3300 engine and

I don't know if it has a suction pump or not like the Continental or

Lycomings do.  If it does not I am going to have to pay almost $2,000.00 for

an electric attitude indicator.  Any instruments I add that work from air

being sucked through them will have to be electric and cost a lot more

money.  I have written to Jabiru, USA and asked them about this and am still

waiting for an answer.



Bob Stone

Thesumak(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:15 am Post subject: New to the list

If you don't mind going old school, you might consider a venturi to drive  

your gyro instruments.  This  is the odd horn-like thing that you sometimes see 

mounted on the side of  the fuselage of antique airplanes.  I use one on my 

Ercoupe.  I  mentioned this option to a couple of folks at the Sun & Fun BBQ and 

they  both politely giggled. 

Also, I am just starting a 601 project and was wondering if there are  other 

non-registered builders around the Pittsburgh area. 

Jones 

Ercoupe flying 

XL starting

frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: New to the list

I just fell of my chair with laughter....



Please tell me you are kidding right?...



Frank

HDS 395 hours

RV7a almost finished



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hrs1(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: New to the list

Don't forget a funky verturi tube.  I plan on putting one on my 701 with 

gyro instruments to keep me out of trouble with the loss of horizon.  Robert 

Schoenberger Do not archive



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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: New to the list

Hi Bill,

     I am sure you are right about the price of the electric DG not looking 

so bad when one considers all the the other gear that is required to run a 

air suction system.  I think I will just stick with the electric DG and bear 

the cost.  Thanks for the reply.



Bob Stone



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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: New to the list

Hi Paul,

     First let me say, thanks for the prompt reply.  Someone told me that if 

I express an opinion or idea that some member does not agree with I will get 

flamed.  I have a thick skin and have survived two wars (Korea and Vietnam) 

so let them flame away, I  couldn't care less.  Since this is my first metal 

aircraft, I am sure I will do a lot more reading than writing anyway.

     I have had the experience of making a VFR flight and encountering 

marginal weather or even flying into a cloud so I want a AI but since my 

aircraft is being built as a Sport Aircraft and I will soon not be able to 

pass a regular flight physical, and instrument flying is not permitted 

anyway it's the only IFR instrument I want.  I am going to have a card 

compass so I dont need a DG

     I am interested in what you think is the best EFIS on the market and 

also tell me what the initials EFIS stand for.



Bob Stone



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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:12 am Post subject: New to the list

Frank,

     I see Corvallis right after your name, does this mean Corvallis, 

Oregon?  Tell me more about this Dynon.  A picture of one would be welcome 

as well.  I am just getting started with my project and plan on keeping my 

mouth shut other than to ask questions.  I have built two aircraft prior to 

this one but this was way back in the 70's so I don't know much about the 

new equipment on the market.  My question about Corvallis was because I was 

born and raised in Portland, Oregon.



Bob Stone

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: New to the list

Bob I really think if you do that your making an expensive mistake



As I understand it the electric DG and AH are still a mechanical gyro

that is spun with an electric motor...Correct??



If so The Dynon EFIS is a solid state gyro...I.e no moving parts and

thus a MUCh better investment.



If you only want a DG then might I suggest you take a look at the

Digitrack line of autopilots...The Pictorial pilot is a solid state

device that combines the turn coordinator display and a full single axis

autopilot that controls the roll...You can even slave it to your

handheld GPS, and have it fly you to any airport in your GPS database.



For $1800 that's is an awesome deal and three times the electric DG

instrument.



Just to give you a clue...i don't know any RV drivers that are using

Electric gyro instruments nor any vacuum pumps that are currently under

construction....And a lot of those are IFR machines.



The reason is mechanical gyros, (electric or vacuum) are expensive, have

wearing parts and are so 20th century.



The Pictorial pilot is currently installed in my RV project and if I

were keeping the 601, that would be instrument I would be installing.



Frank 



HDS 395 hours

RV7A almost complete



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rstone4(at)hot.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: New to the list

I would call you by your first name if I knew what it was.



     I just wanted to say that a polite giggle is nothing.  If you express 

an idea or how you did something on any of these internet airplane builders 

clubs you are going to have a few rude idiots who will flame the hell out of 

you and tell you you are a stupid ass and don't know what you ae talking 

about.  I had it happen to me many times when I was on the KRNet.  Don't let 

it bother you and don't leave the Zenith List.  If you think you have a good 

idea or you did something that worked out well by all means tell the rest of 

us.  That's the purpose of this list.  They may  kill you but they can't eat 

you.



Bob Stone

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: New to the list

Yup Corvallis Oregon...



Here 2 links (see my other mil on the autopilot idea...Yeah I know what

your thinking..."What an autopilot?...I'm not building a Lanceair

here"...Read on and be prepared to be amazed....)



 http://www.dynonavionics.com/



http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/



The Pictorial pilot can be found on sale from dealers for roughly $100

off the list price. If you want something to get you out of trouble the

Pictorial pilot is the way I would go...Plus it will do most of the

flying for you



I have both of the above instruments in my RV project and on the ground

at least they look VERY impressive...Other who have flown them rave

about them both.



Frank



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randy(at)shadycreekoutlaw
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: New to the list

EFIS is an acronym for "Electronic Flight Information System".



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: New to the list

Check out www.dynonavionics.com



Ed Moody II



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Tell me more about this Dynon.  A picture of one would be welcome 
	


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		   as well. 


	


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Jari Kaija

Joined: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 69

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: New to the list

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		   Don't forget a funky verturi tube.  I plan on putting one on my 701 with

 gyro instruments to keep me out of trouble with the loss of horizon. 

 Robert


	


    How about this one 



http://www.project-ch701.net/ch701_electric/electric.php



http://www.project-ch701.net/

frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: New to the list

That's quite a setup....



Frank



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