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coop85(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:12 pm Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

At little off topic but in case the word is slow to get out a new procedure

takes effect on 30 Jun this may help.  No longer will you ever be cleared to

taxi to a runway that involves crossing other runways along the way.  Not a

big deal as you just follow their clearance and you are good to go, you just

might realize more stop and go and unused runways.  Here's the info from the

FAA (http://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safety/news/current_events/taxi_to/

):



Explicit Runway Crossing Procedure Change

Beginning June 30, 2010, controllers will be required to issue explicit

instructions to cross or hold short of each runway that intersects a taxi

route.

"Taxi to" will no longer be used when issuing taxi instructions to an

assigned take-off runway.

Instructions to cross a runway will be issued one at a time. Instructions to

cross multiple runways will not be issued. An aircraft or vehicle must have

crossed the previous runway before another runway crossing is issued. 

This applies to any runway including inactive or closed runways.

Changes will also be made to the AIM and AIP to reflect the new procedures.

Never cross a hold line without explicit ATC instructions. If in doubt ASK!

Reminder: You may not enter a runway unless you have been: instructed to

cross that specific runway; cleared to take off from that runway; or

instructed to position and hold on that specific runway.

For more information on the change, refer to FAA Order N JO 7110.532, which

can be found at:

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.532.pdf. 



For additional information, go to http://www.faa.gov/go/runwaysafety



Marcus

40286

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

I like this a lot, not that it matters now.



I was in the habit of volunteering every runway cross when cleared to 

some other point.  Never, ever got a hint of anything  from ATC but 

"that's a good thing to do, no problem".



Looking forward to sitting up higher in the '10.



Now it's mandatory and a good thing.



Bill



Marcus Cooper wrote:

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 At little off topic but in case the word is slow to get out a new procedure

 takes effect on 30 Jun this may help.  No longer will you ever be cleared to

 taxi to a runway that involves crossing other runways along the way.  Not a

 big deal as you just follow their clearance and you are good to go, you just

 might realize more stop and go and unused runways.  Here's the info from the

 FAA (http://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safety/news/current_events/taxi_to/

 ):



 Explicit Runway Crossing Procedure Change

 Beginning June 30, 2010, controllers will be required to issue explicit

 instructions to cross or hold short of each runway that intersects a taxi

 route.

 "Taxi to" will no longer be used when issuing taxi instructions to an

 assigned take-off runway.

 Instructions to cross a runway will be issued one at a time. Instructions to

 cross multiple runways will not be issued. An aircraft or vehicle must have

 crossed the previous runway before another runway crossing is issued. 

 This applies to any runway including inactive or closed runways.

 Changes will also be made to the AIM and AIP to reflect the new procedures.

 Never cross a hold line without explicit ATC instructions. If in doubt ASK!

 Reminder: You may not enter a runway unless you have been: instructed to

 cross that specific runway; cleared to take off from that runway; or

 instructed to position and hold on that specific runway.

 For more information on the change, refer to FAA Order N JO 7110.532, which

 can be found at:

 http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.532.pdf. 



 For additional information, go to http://www.faa.gov/go/runwaysafety



 Marcus

 40286

chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

No it's not a good thing!  Extra verbage for detailed taxi instructions?  We

don't need that and controllers don't need that.  Screw-up's will still

occur.  Controllers will still get it wrong from time-to-time and pilots

will still hear it wrong --- from time-to-time.  It's sissified female

dominated FAA at its best --- again.  Oh for the good 'ol days of manly

controllers.  And what's so damn hard to understand "taxi too Runway

three-zero"?  



I'm a retired air traffic controller (who worked some big facilities) and

used "taxi into position" a lot to expedite traffic.  Now I hold on the

ground with my nine heating up plugs fowling up burning excess fuel because

the controller can't cock the runway because some sissy at headquarters

thinks a controller doesn't have the ability to remember I'm there.  Stupid,

pathetic and demeaning to our wonderful controllers!  God, this country is

turning into a sissified-touchy-feely mess.

Chuck



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sean(at)stephensville.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

I agree.  Women have no place in government organizations.  While we are 

at it, I think we should take away their right to vote.



Just kidding of course. 



-Sean #40303 Fuse building male.



DO NOT ARCHIVE



On 7/1/10 12:47 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote:

[quote] 



 No it's not a good thing!  Extra verbage for detailed taxi instructions?  We

 don't need that and controllers don't need that.  Screw-up's will still

 occur.  Controllers will still get it wrong from time-to-time and pilots

 will still hear it wrong --- from time-to-time.  It's sissified female

 dominated FAA at its best --- again.  Oh for the good 'ol days of manly

 controllers.  And what's so damn hard to understand "taxi too Runway

 three-zero"?



 I'm a retired air traffic controller (who worked some big facilities) and

 used "taxi into position" a lot to expedite traffic.  Now I hold on the

 ground with my nine heating up plugs fowling up burning excess fuel because

 the controller can't cock the runway because some sissy at headquarters

 thinks a controller doesn't have the ability to remember I'm there.  Stupid,

 pathetic and demeaning to our wonderful controllers!  God, this country is

 turning into a sissified-touchy-feely mess.

 Chuck



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rwwende

Joined: 12 Mar 2010
Posts: 23

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

And what about the Irish

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

Have a cup of tea on me.



Chuck Weyant wrote:

[quote] 



 No it's not a good thing!  Extra verbage for detailed taxi instructions?  We

 don't need that and controllers don't need that.  Screw-up's will still

 occur.  Controllers will still get it wrong from time-to-time and pilots

 will still hear it wrong --- from time-to-time.  It's sissified female

 dominated FAA at its best --- again.  Oh for the good 'ol days of manly

 controllers.  And what's so damn hard to understand "taxi too Runway

 three-zero"?  



 I'm a retired air traffic controller (who worked some big facilities) and

 used "taxi into position" a lot to expedite traffic.  Now I hold on the

 ground with my nine heating up plugs fowling up burning excess fuel because

 the controller can't cock the runway because some sissy at headquarters

 thinks a controller doesn't have the ability to remember I'm there.  Stupid,

 pathetic and demeaning to our wonderful controllers!  God, this country is

 turning into a sissified-touchy-feely mess.

 Chuck



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chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

Typical

Do not archive



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

Agree, except for the female part. I worked with several female

controllers who were every bit as good as their male counterparts.

Don't need the detailed instructions, don't need the verbatim

readbacks of non-ifr clearances. Pilots doing readbacks are behaving

like parrots and what they readback doesn't sink in at all.

But ATC will never be the well oiled machine it was before the strike.

What do you mean I can't put 3 small aircraft on the runway at the

same time and run IFR arrivals at 2 3/4 mi separation! 



On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Chuck Weyant <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com> wrote:

[quote] 



 No it's not a good thing!  Extra verbage for detailed taxi instructions?  We

 don't need that and controllers don't need that.  Screw-up's will still

 occur.  Controllers will still get it wrong from time-to-time and pilots

 will still hear it wrong --- from time-to-time.  It's sissified female

 dominated FAA at its best --- again.  Oh for the good 'ol days of manly

 controllers.  And what's so damn hard to understand "taxi too Runway

 three-zero"?



 I'm a retired air traffic controller (who worked some big facilities) and

 used "taxi into position" a lot to expedite traffic.  Now I hold on the

 ground with my nine heating up plugs fowling up burning excess fuel because

 the controller can't cock the runway because some sissy at headquarters

 thinks a controller doesn't have the ability to remember I'm there.  Stupid,

 pathetic and demeaning to our wonderful controllers!  God, this country is

 turning into a sissified-touchy-feely mess.

 Chuck



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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

AMEN Chuck!  However, it'll give the FAA reason to hire more guys for ground control, and extra frequencies ...... Oh, wait .... The FAA is contracting out the towers.

 Here I sit in my Pitts .... nothing to write with or on .... and I get 7 taxiways that I'm supposed to remember and read back ........  Ah yes, give me the 'good old days'!!!

 Linn

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 Chuck Weyant wrote: [quote]   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck(at)chuckdirect.com> (chuck(at)chuckdirect.com)  No it's not a good thing!  Extra verbage for detailed taxi instructions?  We don't need that and controllers don't need that.  Screw-up's will still occur.  Controllers will still get it wrong from time-to-time and pilots will still hear it wrong --- from time-to-time.  It's sissified female dominated FAA at its best --- again.  Oh for the good 'ol days of manly controllers.  And what's so damn hard to understand "taxi too Runway three-zero"?    I'm a retired air traffic controller (who worked some big facilities) and used "taxi into position" a lot to expedite traffic.  Now I hold on the ground with my nine heating up plugs fowling up burning excess fuel because the controller can't cock the runway because some sissy at headquarters thinks a controller doesn't have the ability to remember I'm there.  Stupid, pathetic and demeaning to our wonderful controllers!  God, this country is turning into a sissified-touchy-feely mess. Chuck  --

dmaib(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: New taxi procedures at controlled airports

Come on now Chuck! Tell us how you really feel! ^_^



David Maib

RV-10



do not archive





On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Chuck Weyant wrote:






No it's not a good thing!  Extra verbage for detailed taxi  

instructions?  We

don't need that and controllers don't need that.  Screw-up's will still

occur.  Controllers will still get it wrong from time-to-time and pilots

will still hear it wrong --- from time-to-time.  It's sissified female

dominated FAA at its best --- again.  Oh for the good 'ol days of manly

controllers.  And what's so damn hard to understand "taxi too Runway

three-zero"?



I'm a retired air traffic controller (who worked some big facilities)  

and

used "taxi into position" a lot to expedite traffic.  Now I hold on the

ground with my nine heating up plugs fowling up burning excess fuel  

because

the controller can't cock the runway because some sissy at headquarters

thinks a controller doesn't have the ability to remember I'm there.   

Stupid,

pathetic and demeaning to our wonderful controllers!  God, this  

country is

turning into a sissified-touchy-feely mess.

Chuck



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