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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1490
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: new camera

Gang,

    I need a bit of help. I bought a new camera  for the Kolb, a Countour HD by Vholdr. While the camera takes good movies, they  can only be edited in Quicktime. They are finished as a mov. file rather than a  AVI. file that I have been using before. 

  

   My question is, if I use this, will it be viewable  by other computers. I read the reviews on the editing software, and it reads  like a horror story by 2/3 rd of the reviewers. (Quick time Pro) Any one having  any experience or thoughts would be welcomed.

  

 Larry

  

  

  

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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:50 am Post subject: new camera

Larry, if youtube will accept the format it will be viewable by anyone.  If they can't take it try Streamclip.



Beautiful flying weather today in Noo Yawk.  I got in a good ride this morning to my favorite sunday morning destination,

interrupted only by buzz jobs on a friend and my daughter's place.  Coffee and conversation were offered.

Little Kolb performed perfectly and brought me back home.

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On 11, Jul 2010, at 12:36 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:

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		  Gang,

   I need a bit of help. I bought a new camera for the Kolb, a Countour HD by Vholdr. While the camera takes good movies, they can only be edited in Quicktime. They are finished as a mov. file rather than a AVI. file that I have been using before.

 

  My question is, if I use this, will it be viewable by other computers. I read the reviews on the editing software, and it reads like a horror story by 2/3 rd of the reviewers. (Quick time Pro) Any one having any experience or thoughts would be welcomed.

 

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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: new camera

Most people have Quicktime viewer on their PC, so, yeah, it's viewable by other computers.  If not, it's a free download.  So many videos out there are MOV, so it's one of the many standards.



 On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com (lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com)> wrote:

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    I need a bit of help. I bought a new camera  for the Kolb, a Countour HD by Vholdr. While the camera takes good movies, they  can only be edited in Quicktime. They are finished as a mov. file rather than a  AVI. file that I have been using before. 

  

   My question is, if I use this, will it be viewable  by other computers. I read the reviews on the editing software, and it reads  like a horror story by 2/3 rd of the reviewers. (Quick time Pro) Any one having  any experience or thoughts would be welcomed.

  

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1669
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: Re: new camera

Larry, I purchased Quick Time Pro a few years ago and as soon as I got past the short learning curve, it was ok. 

But if you want to use the software that comes with Windoze, download Next Video Converter 3.5 (free) 

http://www.nextvideosoft.com/

and then you can convert Quick Time to whatever you like. 

My Lumix Digital camera films in Quick Time, but here is a sample of converting it to a much smaller bandwidth movie that I could post on our web page. The original Quick Time clip out of the camera was somewhere around 40 or so mb, but this is a conversion to a mpeg-4 (mp4) 10 mb clip that doesn't look too bad.

(Grand daughter at swim class <grin>)

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1490
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:57 am Post subject: new camera

Thanks guy's, I appreciate the responses. I will bite the  bullet and give it a try.  This camera is pretty small, takes high def  movies, but somehow my computer doesn't recognize it, so it will have to go  back. Not too impressive, although they are sending me a prepaid shipping  package.

  

 The camera does not have stabilization, so it is going to  be a bit of a challenge to keep the shakes out of it, but the color and  clarity are superior to what I have been using. I really think at this time I  should have listened to John Bickham however.

  

 Larry 

  

  

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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: new camera

What did John have to say.  Pete

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tbertw

Joined: 06 May 2010
Posts: 2
Location: Spring, TX (Houston)

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: new camera

I use Media Player Classic. I get the version listed with k-lite. Get the full version. I play everything from RM, WMV, Quick Time, h.264, DVX, etc.



It is freeware and about 14 - 16 meg download. It works fine with all of the Winders stuff.



Tim

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: new camera

I was about to give up on recommending SUPER video converter when I ran into a run around trying to download the latest version. Turned out it won't download with Chrome and even with IE it was rather arcane to download. You have to hit three separate buttons to get the download going and you have to be careful or you'll get an evaluation version of another editor called AVS. That all said, it is a good translator program that made changing from .mov files from my little Nikon point and shoot cameras into .avi files that Movie Maker could digest. It, too, is freeware.

One thing I don't like about these helmet cams is that you never really know if you're shooting anything. I have an AT2K from Oregon Scientific and more than once I've returned with nothing. I only use it as a backup now or to take a second POV.

 If you shop around you'll find there are many of the little point and shoot or better cameras that will take good video, I use a Fuji S1500 now, and having that LCD display on the back with the big red dot and REC in the corner is nice reassurance that everything is working.

 



Rick Girard



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 I use Media Player Classic. I get the version listed with k-lite. Get the full version. I play everything from RM, WMV, Quick Time, h.264, DVX, etc.

 

 It is freeware and about 14 - 16 meg download. It works fine with all of the Winders stuff.

 

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lcottrell

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: new camera

Well guy's it has been an interesting afternoon. The  makers of the camera that I bought (CountourHD Camera by Vholdr)  sent me  an authorization to return the camera for repair. The computer would not  recognize the camera, none of the software would work without that.   

 I actually liked the camera and thought that it took good  pictures, however my problems with the camera were compounded by having to use  Quick time to edit the movies. I managed to retrieve them by using a card reader  adapter. I could not edit them without purchasing Quick Time Pro, which with  much trepidation I did. The program has little in the way of a manual, but after  most of an afternoon of trial and error I did get enough of an edited movie to  use. Unfortunately Quick Time was not able to read any of the music files or  CD's that I possessed? so I couldn't add a sound track. I spent another two  or three hours trying to find a fix for that and after three phone calls and  quite a bit of time waiting on hold I could find no help at all. I finally tried  to get a refund for a program that did not work, they of course refused, but  gave me a number where I could talk to an , undoubtedly cute, Filipino gal who  suggested that I needed to buy yet another program so that Quick Time might know  what a music file was. Understandably, I declined. 

  

 I am returning the camera to Amazon rather than sending it in for a fix.  Geeez, I thought Microsoft was bad, but Apple is worse, perhaps the translation  from Mac to windows is the problem.



  

  

  

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: new camera

I forgot to add that I did download two or three programs  that would convert the programs to an AVI file, however the quality of the  result was no better than the little spy camera that I have been using,  therefore it is much easier to just use it than do all that other crap.  

  

 I am going to try another camera, hopefully I will have  better results. 

  

 Thanks to all of you for the suggestions on the downloads,  I at least picked up a couple of good programs that did work just fine, unlike  the ones that I paid for.

  

 Larry

  

  

  

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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:15 am Post subject: Re: new camera

Larry,



I had the exact opposite problem when I bought one of those little bitty chewing gum size cameras you used at one time. I could not get it to work with my Apple stuff, so I returned it to Amazon for a hassle-free refund.



So Apple  is not worse than Microsoft, but they are both loath to cooperate with one another. 



My wife sat on her 4 year old MacBook a couple weeks ago and broke it so she ended up buying a Toshiba netbook for about $300 and had to go back to WinDOS. She was not happy about that but is acclimating. Once I downloaded Safari browser for windows she was ok with it.  



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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: new camera

Thom /Larry and all Kolbers APPLE , MICROSOFT , KOLBS , What a world we are so 

fortunate to have "grown up in" Just my 2 cents !Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:59 am Post subject: new camera

what is this?

Â Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

Disabled from crash building Firefly 



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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:23 am Post subject: new camera

Thom/Larry /Kolbers I dont know what happened to my email but this is what i 

said that came out as Gobledegook. I said "Apple, Microsoft, Kolbs !Â  What a 

wonderful world we are so fortunate to have "Grown up in" ///////life goes on 

and just keeps amazing me ,

Â Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: new camera

Greetings,

 I'm also having problems editing my videos.  Wish I can find an editing program that will do the job.

 Here is a video from my camera without editing.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R3S9xp3UI

 This is the same video after editing using the program that came with the camera, lost the HD quality, screen size and sound.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pVVRF7aX0

 

 Regards,

 Will Uribe

 FireStar II 407 hrs.

 El Paso, TX

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Houston

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:43 am Post subject: new camera

I don't do a lot of videos, but, usually I convert whatever I've got (from a variety of devices and formats) using a video converter program to WMV, then I edit it with Windows Movie Maker.



I do have at least 2 other professional-level video editing programs, with a lot more features, but I've realized that I very rarely use any of the other features, and that WMM usually does 100% of what I need (for these brief, flying videos, anyway).

 

After I get it edited and saved as a WMV file, I use the video converter to change it to FLV, then I publish it on my own web site.  That way I have more control over it.  But I realize that most people don't have their own web site, and just use YouTube, and that's fine.  YouTube will pick up a WMV just fine.

 

The video converter program I use is:  Aimersoft Video Converter (http://www.aimersoft.com/video-converter.html)



  -- Robert



 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:28 AM,  <willuribe(at)aol.com (willuribe(at)aol.com)> wrote:

[quote] Greetings,

 I'm also having problems editing my videos.  Wish I can find an editing program that will do the job.

 Here is a video from my camera without editing.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R3S9xp3UI

 This is the same video after editing using the program that came with the camera, lost the HD quality, screen size and sound.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pVVRF7aX0

 

 Regards,

 Will Uribe

 FireStar II 407 hrs.

 El Paso, TX

 

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:46 am Post subject: new camera

Will, I use Windows Movie Maker and it does all the things you want and it came free with Vista on my laptop. It's available as a free download from:



http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/moviemaker2.mspx

 



All I can really say about it is that it works for me and is fairly well documented. Any thing I ever needed to know I found in the help files.

Rick



 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:28 AM,  <willuribe(at)aol.com (willuribe(at)aol.com)> wrote:

[quote] Greetings,

 I'm also having problems editing my videos.  Wish I can find an editing program that will do the job.

 Here is a video from my camera without editing.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R3S9xp3UI

 This is the same video after editing using the program that came with the camera, lost the HD quality, screen size and sound.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pVVRF7aX0

 

 Regards,

 Will Uribe

 FireStar II 407 hrs.

 El Paso, TX

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lcottrell

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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: new camera

Will,

    I haven't had any problem when using   Movie Maker. Its all pretty easy and the sound is there. Of course the quality  is going to suffer, but that is You Tube, not the program. If it didn't it would  take forever to upload to You tube.

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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: Re: new camera

If Windows Movie Maker doesn't recognize the file type i use an open source program called Handbrake for conversion. It recognizes most file types and does audio as well as video.

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