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bretttdc

Joined: 06 Apr 2007
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Location: Houston, TX

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: Zenith701801-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/26/10

I built a 701 with a Subaru.  When I was done it was a great one place airplane.  My advice is that if you want 80-100hp build the piet or the 750.  If you build the 701 I would recommend you not use any engine that weighs over about 125 pounds on it.  It was designed for 45 hp and at 65hp it is a hot rod with good payload.  There have been a lot of 80-100hp 701's built but most are flown over gross weight regularly.  If you just gotta have the 100hp spend the little extra cash and build the 750.  If cost is a factor I would recommend building from plans.  It is more work from plans but is more rewarding and you will save a bundle. A 750 plans built and a Corvair would be about as economical as it can be.  I am in the process of building a 750 with a. 0-200.  Please believe me the 750 is a LOT more airplane  than the 701. Its got a lot of beef.  

  

 Brett Hanley

 267-280-2545



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     1. 08:08 AM - New 701 and 582  (Phil)

     2. 08:33 AM - Re: New 701 and 582  (fritz)

     3. 08:41 AM - Re: New 701 and 582  (Phil)

     4. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: New 701 and 582  (fritz)

     5. 01:27 PM - Re: New 701 and 582  (Phil)

     6. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: New 701 and 582  (David L. Orr)

     7. 07:46 PM - Re: New 701 and 582  (Phil)



________________________________  Message 1   _____________________________________

Time: 08:08:51 AM PST US

Subject: New 701 and 582

From: "Phil" <hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com (hopkinsp2(at)gmail.com)>

Hello all,



I've been haunting the list for a bit.  Not a lot of traffic lately, but the archives

are helpful.



I've recently finished my training and gotten my Sport license.  I've been thinking

about building a plane for longer than I care to admit (I think I must be

some kind of expert on at least the variety and types of homebuilt aircraft),

but two particular options have stayed at the top of my list for a very long

time: a Pietenpol or a CH701.  Obviously, I'm interested in low and slow.  In

fact, I'd prefer around a 70mph cruise.  I've flown several times in Cubs, and

I very much like how slowly they  trundle over the ground, giving one time to

see everything (I'm an aerial sightseer at heart).  I've flown in a ppc, and would

probably just get one of those if I could get over the fact that you're flying

a series of air-filled fabric tubes, and there was some way around the ridiculous

setup and takedown process.  



Anyway, I flew in my first CH701 about a week ago, and it was a lovely airplane

in every way.  I really like most of its features (the shorter and more stable

wing, the metal construction, the wonderful control feel, etc).  The only thing

that pulls me toward the Piet is the lower cost and the open cockpit (which

is both nice and a disadvantage at the same time).  But I'm under no illusions

as to how long it would take to build a Piet from scratch.  So, there's the

cost issue.



Which, finally, brings me to the point of this post.  (Just wanted to  introduce

myself a bit and give some background.)  



I understand the economics of the 912 80hp engine (with it's great TBO) and 4-stroke

niceness.  But with the cost of the kit, the cost of even a used lowish-time

912 might be out of my range (if I could find a good one).  A low-time 582,

on the other hand, looks good, price-wise, except for that short TBO, and the

2-stroke worries.



I know Heintz designed the 701 for a 582, but I'm thinking that was a lighter (smaller?)

plane.  As I've said, I'm not looking for fast cruise performance. 

Will the 582 work well on the current kit?  Are there concerns?  Would I have

to worry more about engine outs?  



Thanks for any insights you can offer.

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Time: 08:33:54 AM PST US

From: "fritz" <klondike(at)megalink.net (klondike(at)megalink.net)>

Subject: Re: New 701 and 582

I've flown 300 hrs in an earlier 701 with the 582.  pros and cons.

But, in making your decision, compare apples with apples---- would you put 

the 582 in a Piet?



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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: Zenith701801-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/26/10

nicely said

  

 Fritz  ---- do not archive

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Phil

Joined: 18 Jul 2010
Posts: 10

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/26/10

Good food for thought, Brett.  What's a realistic time estimate for building one of these from scratch?  And I'm not a metal worker, but I am handy and have been a woodworker for a long time, including professionally at times.  



I don't know if I mentioned it, but I've only flown in one 701.  It was built by the Czechs and has a 912 (I don't know if it's 80 or 100 ponies, but weight would be the same, right?).  That plane flew very nicely indeed with two FAA normal people on board.  I'm thinking it was built lightly.  The owner told me the empty weight, but I forget it.  It was low 600s, I'm pretty sure.

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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: Zenith701801-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/26/10

my first scratch built project with no metal working experience was a 701

cut my first sheet of aluminum 1 Feb 96-----first flight 17 Sept 97---------  

project was interupted with part time work.------------retired USAF

Fritz      do not archive

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