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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

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		     And thank God you built a "Manly Plane"   with the little wheel in 

 back....


	


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		  I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin' 

up our skies !


	


Tis your nosewheel racist opinion.  I would note that from my perspective

the manly men (and at least one sexy woman)  who fly taildraggers around

here don't seem to fly very far.   Perhaps an hour to a breakfast then they

have to scurry home to mama.          for those who don't know humor.



Ron Lee



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sportav8r(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Ron, Ron, Ron.  Think about it.  They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do?  Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?  

 



 

-Stormy

bring it on, but do not archive <g> 

 

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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds.  That may

be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement.  I also wonder

why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go

beyond an hour away.  Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands"

for reassurance.     Makes you wonder.    Another       for the humor

impaired.



Ron Lee



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		  Ron, Ron, Ron.  Think about it.  They can't stay gone more than an hour 

because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could 

they do?  Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?



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stan.jones(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Stormy,=0D

What a lot of rot. Taildragger pilots are just people who have come to

realise=0D

that rudder pedals are not just foot rests.=0D

Stan=0D

Do not archive =0D

 =0D

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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

In a message dated 04/30/2006 7:48:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 

sportav8r(at)aol.com writes:

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		  I'm gettin' awfully tired of seein' all those sissy nose draggers suckin' 

up our skies !

>>


	


All depends which head ya think with- above the shoulders or below the belt- 

y'all figger out which is which!  



The beat goes on...



Mark do not archive this nosedragger's predjudice Phillips

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webmaster(at)flion.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Long ago, my daddy tol' me that only brutes put it in the rear; gentlemen

put it in front.  I was too young to understand ... and never knew until

after he was gone that he was a pilot... 



Definitely Do Not Archive this joke...



Pat Kelley - RV-6*A* - finishing up the aft cabin






Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds.  That may

be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement.  I also wonder

why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go

beyond an hour away.  Then they have to fly closely as if "holding hands"

for reassurance.     Makes you wonder.    Another       for the humor

impaired.



Ron Lee



Do not archive





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		  Ron, Ron, Ron.  Think about it.  They can't stay gone more than an hour 

because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could 

they do?  Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?



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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

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		  Ron, Ron, Ron.  Think about it.  They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do?  Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?  




	


Most nose weenies  now days are scared to death of a tailwheel 

airplane. BTW have any of you done the research

to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose 

wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be

surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane 

makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags.

Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a 

NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so.

I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most 

of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with?

The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun 

but doable. How about the rest of you?????



Jerry

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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

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		   Perhaps an hour to a breakfast then they

have to scurry home to mama.    for those who don't know humor.



Ron Lee



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Maybe because TD pilots are the manly type they find spending time with 
	


the baby's mama as much fun as flying. 



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alexpeterson(at)earthlink
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

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		   The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, 

 not fun but doable. How about the rest of you?????

 

 Jerry

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Jerry, that works out to about a 20 degree crab angle relative to the air at

a 65 knot touchdown speed.  I don't believe my RV6A has enough rudder

authority to yaw the nose that far.  I'll try it at altitude and see how far

I can yaw the nose at 65-70 knots.



Alex Peterson

RV6-A N66AP 752 hours

Maple Grove, MN

Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

In a message dated 04/30/2006 10:13:02 PM Central Daylight Time, 

jsflyrv(at)verizon.net writes:

The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun 

but doable. How about the rest of you?????

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		  >>


	


KGVL AWOS reported 28kts at 35 deg from the right- landed right of CL and 

scooted too close for comfort left before stable on 100' wide RW- very 

interesting but survived...



Damn awesome airplanes regardless of little wheel location!  Jerry, yoo da 

man (I mean it!) & do not archive



Sissywheel Mark

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Robin Marks

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 24
Location: San Luis Obispo, CA

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Finally a place I can contribute! Build what you want, fly what you

want, paint it as you will, just don't expect an RV-10 to come in a tail

dragger. 

Mentioned earlier was the Brazilian X-Wind video. I posted it on one of

my sites some time ago.



http://www.painttheweb.com/crosswind/



Robin

RV-4 Sold

RV-6A Flying

RV-10(A) Shipping

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RV-6A 0-360 - C/S Flying

jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Fiveonepw(at)aol.com wrote:



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Damn awesome airplanes regardless of little wheel location!  

Sissywheel Mark



  



The statement above is so true!!!! I do believe that everyone takes or 
	


should take this  age old TW/NW

debate in the fun sprit it is meant.



Jerry



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jmsears(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

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		   Most nose weenies  now days are scared to death of a tailwheel

 airplane. BTW have any of you done the research

 to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose

 wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's?


	


Alas, I'm one of those nose gear drivers; but, I have my reasons.



First, I don't have a tailwheel endorsement.  Around here, it's a little

hard to get one because of the insurance.  FBOs can afford insurance for

nose gear airplanes more easily than they can afford the insurance for

taildraggers for instruction purposes.  (Hmm.  What does that reflect?)



Second, the insurance is about 20% higher for a tail wheel RV.  My small

budget does well to allow me the priviledge of owning an airplane.  I'd also

like the ability to afford the gas for it.  (Hmmm.  That's a lot of premium

difference for equal airplanes.)



Third, I may want to sell my airplane (without cutting it up for parts); so,

I may have a better chance of selling it as a tri-gear.  One has to think of

the bottom line.  Most of us who can still afford to fly, these days, are

beyond the age for feeling that we need to be macho, anyway.  



That said, I'm not afraid to fly a tail dragger; but, I must be frugal

(cheap?) to keep flying.  Momma won't let me have any money; so, I have to

spend mine!  



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		   You might be surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an

 airplane makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags.


	


I agree with Jerry.  However, I guess the insurance companies have seen

otherwise.  I've seen damage to both types of RVs and found it was pilot

error that caused them.  Alas, one can't build stupidity out of our RV's.

Each of us has some amount of stupidity built in, as well.  Not good.   It

does make for a good show when the two come together, though.  A good place

for that action is at a fly-in.  That's when stupidity and macho come

together in a roaring fashion.  Great for spectator points.  Not good for

the wallet.  



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		   Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a

 NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so.


	


Let's see.  As we get older, many of us tend to become more like children,

again.  Children tend to have less attention span than adults.  Since I'm

about to turn 60, I must be becoming more like a child because I do have my

toys.  I guess my attention span is getting shorter.  Hmmm.  I'd better

stick with the nose gear.  



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		   I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most

 of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with?

 The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun

 but doable. How about the rest of you?????


	


I've never done that in my RV.  On days with 20+ kts winds, around here, a

crosswind means the winds are coming right off the knobs (little 600 feet

high hills that create nasty turbulence) and trees that border the runway.

A nasty combination for anyone.  It also means the ride is going to be

rougher than a cob, if wants to challenge the crosswinds.  At my age, I'd

prefer to not beat myself up to prove that I'm more macho than my flying

buddies.  They'd just think the stupidity is coming out of me, again,

anyway.  I'm sure they'd be out there to see if I damage anything when I

land.  



Years ago, when I owned a C172, I did to a take off from a 150' wide runway

that was being blessed with a 25kt direct crosswind.  To compensate for my

airplane's lack of rudder authority, and my lack of experience with that

much crosswind, I placed the airplane on the side of the runway closest to

the wind.  I used the whole width of the runway to do the take off.  I used

all of the rudder and ailerons I could muster for the job.  It wasn't

pretty; but, I got airborn.  I just wonder what my landing would have been

like.  Well, I guess I'd never find out because I'd have picked another

airport with a runway into the wind.  



Anyway, I just love the debate.  It's one that will be around as long as

there are tailwheels vs nose wheels.  



Jim Sears in KY

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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

With a name like Jerry Springer ...... Sorry, just couldn't resist. 

 Wasn't going to comment because it isn't directly RV related ..... but 

couldn't keep the fingers off the keyboard.  I've had a direct crosswind 

of 30K, gusting 40K once ..... in my Pitts.  But then, I built it with a 

larger rudder to hide my ham-fisted akro capabilities.  Sorry purists 

....  tailwheel airplane won't make you a better pilot ..... but it 

will make you a more alert one ..... and I find NW pilots tend to forget 

what the rudder really does. Especially if they're flying an airplane 

with coupled NW/rudder.

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Linn

Jerry Springer wrote:

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>Ron, Ron, Ron.  Think about it.  They can't stay gone more than an hour because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what could they do?  Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway foamed?  

>

>    

>

Most nose weenies  now days are scared to death of a tailwheel 

airplane. BTW have any of you done the research

to see how many taildraggers have takeoff/landing accident versus nose 

wheel TO/LD accidents in RV's? You might be

surprised at the results. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane 

makes no difference to me if its nose drags or its tail drags.

Granted you have to pay more attention to landing a TD airplane over a 

NW airplane, but is that bad? No I don't think so.

I would be interested to see what the max Direct X-wind component most 

of you nose wheel RV "DRIVERS" have landed with?

The max for me in my RV-6 was 24kts direct across the runway, not fun 

but doable. How about the rest of you?????

Jerry

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Fred.Stucklen(at)UTCPower
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Guys,

 

  I've demonstrated a 48 Knot gusting to 53 Knot, 90* crosswind full

stop landing in my so called "Sissy" nose wheel airplane

(Key West, FL, 12/26/04). Do that  with a tail wheel plane! 

 

Fred Stucklen

RV-6A N926RV

574 Hrs Second offender



    

      

<mailto:ronlee(at)pcisys.net> >

      

      Actually some of them do handle fairly high crosswinds.  That may

      be a testament to their skill or their lack of judgement.  I also

wonder

      why they have to find someone else to fly with them when they go

      beyond an hour away.  Then they have to fly closely as if "holding

hands"

      for reassurance.     Makes you wonder.    Another       for the

humor

      impaired.

      

      Ron Lee

      

      Do not archive

      

      

      

      

      >Ron, Ron, Ron.  Think about it.  They can't stay gone more than an

hour 

      >because a _crosswind_ might develop while they're out, and then what

could 

      >they do?  Call momma to bind hull coverage and have the runway

foamed?

      >

      >;

mannanj(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

First liar in this fray didn't have a chance, did he?  (g)



Mannan Thomason

RV-8 Almost finished



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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Just curious. Does anyone think anybody's going to *win* this argument? If

not, would y'all please come over to the garage and use the energy to help

build my plane? (g)



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dan.beadle(at)inclinesoft
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Why land crosswind in an RV at 48K?  I would just point into the wind and

hover down, perhaps perpendicular to the RW.....  With low stall, strong

winds and reasonably wide runways TW works.



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jpl(at)showpage.org
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

Jerry,



I don't think it's a matter of fear.  I'd love a tail wheel  

endorsement, but I've never been presented with the chance to earn  

one.  Well, I *could* have taken time off when I was working on my  

instrument rating (the FBO had a Citabria for a while), but I stuck  

to the instrument rating at the time...



I don't think it's fear.  But someone from Van's once said:



This is a get there kind of airplane.  At the end of a long day, at  

dusk, landing at an unfamiliar field in a crosswind, you don't really  

want a challenging landing besides.



When I heard that, that's when I decided to go for the -6A instead of  

the -6.  Because I get what I want out of it -- a get there kind of  

airplane that's fun to fly.



-Joe



On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Jerry Springer wrote:



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 Most nose weenies  now days are scared to death of a tailwheel

 airplane.

jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: RV Sissies (Was: First Flight)

I was building all weekend so came late to this thread.  LOL!  Now this is

much better entertainment than you get on TV or radio.  



Ok, that settles it.  I'm heading down to Woodhaven, or whatever that

woodworking store is called, and picking myself up a castering shop cart

wheel, a big one.  I'm going to build a mount for it, something that slants

downward from the tail, then after landing and parking in the RV section of

whatever air show, I'm mounting that wheel, along with a bag of shot in the

rear to weight it down.  Now with the plane safely angled in the right

direction, I can brag about my ability to tap dance, spend an hour flying

before heading home to make sure mamma is feeling satisfied, do some close

hand holding with my buddies going to and from air shows, and generally feel

good about my plane's manliness!  I love it......



John Jessen

  40328 (working on the RV-10 Tailcone and designing my fourth wheel)

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