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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

Kolb guys,

  

   I have tried to find out exactly what happened to cause Scott's fatal crash.

 Why?  Because it matters a HELL of a lot to me!!  At first, I thought I'd share what

 I've found with the entire list, then, I thought someone may gripe about it.

  

   So, if anyone wants to know some of the details about what happened, including

 what Scott and I discussed a few days prior to his maiden flight, email me off

 the Kolb list, and I will share with you what I have found out.

  

 Mike Welch

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:04 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

List members,

  

   I've had a few guys check in, but I'm waiting a little while for

 a few more before we get the conversation going.

  

   The primary reason is for the 'off-list' discussion is I can picture 

 someone asking me "who the hell do you think you are.....?"  Me?  Nobody.

 Just a friend of Scott's that would like to figure out what happened,

 that's all.  I sick and damn tired of hearing about my Kolb buddies

 dieing.  I'd like to find out why they died...and do my best not to repeat

 their 'mistakes', without trying to pass judgement on them.

  

 Mike Welch

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pc.king(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:20 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

Mike, 

  

 You may not have received many offline requests  because everyone on the list doesn't have your email address. 

  

 I met Scott at AirVenture this year. We spoke  about where to source aileron and flap control seals. I was sad to hear that  he'd passed away test flying something he was so proud of. 

  

 I'd like to know what happened. 

  

 Peter C. King

 pc.king(at)comcast.net (pc.king(at)comcast.net)

  

  

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

Mike W:

  

 Have you discussed your findings with the  NTSB?

  

 Maybe your information would help in their  investigation and their determination of the cause of the accident.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 Rock House, OR

 [quote]      I have tried to find out exactly    what happened to cause Scott's fatal crash.

Why?  Because it matters a    HELL of a lot to me!!  At first, I thought I'd share what

I've found    with the entire list, then, I thought someone may gripe about    it.

 

  So, if anyone wants to know some of the details about    what happened, including

what Scott and I discussed a few days prior to his    maiden flight, email me off

the Kolb list, and I will share with you what I    have found out.

 

Mike Welch

 

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

h20maule(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

Class move John I like it

Daniel



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On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:23 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:



[quote]  Mike W:

  

 Have you discussed your findings with the  NTSB?

  

 Maybe your information would help in their  investigation and their determination of the cause of the accident.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 Rock House, OR

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		        I have tried to find out exactly    what happened to cause Scott's fatal crash.

Why?  Because it matters a    HELL of a lot to me!!  At first, I thought I'd share what

I've found    with the entire list, then, I thought someone may gripe about    it.

 

  So, if anyone wants to know some of the details about    what happened, including

what Scott and I discussed a few days prior to his    maiden flight, email me off

the Kolb list, and I will share with you what I    have found out.

 

Mike Welch

 




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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

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 >Have you discussed your findings with the NTSB?

  

 >Maybe your information would help in their investigation and their determination of >the cause of the accident.

  

 >john h

 >mkIII

  

 John H,

  

   No, I haven't, but I will be calling them tomorrow.  But the fact is, I shared 

 what little information I dug up, and packaged into one concise email.  The 

 information I gathered was either reading it in news articles relating to the 

 crash (in otherwords...public information), my emails with Scott, just prior 

 to his flight, and telephone conversations with a couple of Kolb list members.

  

    I'm simply trying to save lives.  Do you have a problem with my discussion?

 Am I supposed to contact that NTSB to show a concern for Kolb pilots?

  

 Mike Welch 

  

  

  

  

  

  

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h20maule(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

Mike, my uncle died in my kolb and no one knows what happened except for him. Kolbs Are great planes but are very unforgiving. I continue to fly Kolbs only because I know not to get close to that stall speed. I have only owned two Kolbs but I know the limits..this guy was on his first flight, it's a terrible situation because he didn't know the kolb and it's limits.

Daniel

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On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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 >Have you discussed your findings with the NTSB?

 >Maybe your information would help in their investigation and their determination of >the cause of the accident.

 >john h

 >mkIII

 John H,

   No, I haven't, but I will be calling them tomorrow.  But the fact is, I shared 

 what little information I dug up, and packaged into one concise email.  The 

 information I gathered was either reading it in news articles relating to the 

 crash (in otherwords...public information), my emails with Scott, just prior 

 to his flight, and telephone conversations with a couple of Kolb list members.

    I'm simply trying to save lives.  Do you have a problem with my discussion?

 Am I supposed to contact that NTSB to show a concern for Kolb pilots?

 Mike Welch 

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

Mike, my uncle died in my kolb and no one knows what happened except for him. Kolbs Are great planes but are very unforgiving. I continue to fly Kolbs only because I know not to get close to that stall speed. I have only owned two Kolbs but I know the limits..this guy was on his first flight, it's a terrible situation because he didn't know the kolb and it's limits.

 Daniel

 

Daniel,

  

   You are exactly right (with your last statement).  I am afraid it is possible it is as simple as 

 he may have simply misjudged what he was doing.  Of course, we will never know the whole truth now.

  

   It is only my intention to help educate those of us who fly, or are yet to fly, their Kolb aircraft.

 Crashing and dieing does little good to both the families left behind and the reputation of the aircraft.  I

 would like to reduce the damage by analyzing what we know, and learn from our errors.  Believe it or

 not, there may be people who have a problem with that.

  

 Mike Welch

 My condolences regarding your uncle, Daniel.

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

NTSB Identification: CEN10LA526

14 CFR Part 91: General  Aviation

Accident occurred Wednesday, September 08, 2010 in Elkhart,  IN

Aircraft: Thompson Kolb Windstar Mark, registration: N408K

Injuries: 1  Fatal. 

 This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain  errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has  been completed. 

On September 8, 2010, at 1952 eastern daylight time, an amateur built  Thompson Kolb Twin Star Mark III, N408K, impacted the terrain following a loss  of control while landing on runway 36 (4,001 feet by 75 feet, asphalt) at the  Elkhart Municipal Airport (EKM), Elkhart, Indiana. The pilot was fatally  injured. The airplane was substantially damaged. The flight was being conducted  under 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. The local flight was operating in  visual meteorological conditions without a flight plan. The flight departed from  EKM about 1938.

  

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 Mike W/Gang:

  

 Above is the NTSB preliminary info on Scott's crash. It is the only  official info available.  Personally, I think we should leave it to the  NTSB to investigate.

  

 John Ratcliff's NTSB investigation is still in the preliminary stage.   He crashed back in April.  No telling when the final report will be  published.

  

 I feel the NTSB can do a better job at investigating an aircraft accident  than I can, 2,500 miles away.  It will be some time before they publish the  final report.  When it comes out, I doubt they will be able to tell us why  Scott crashed.

  

 As with the crash of another friend that died, no one will ever know  why.

  

 Any other info published on the Kolb List is probably speculation and  assumptions, which don't have a place in any accident investigation.

  

 However, if Mike has pertinent information on Scott's accident, the NTSB  would probably like to have that info if it would be beneficial in finalizing  the investigation.

  

 My own personal opinion.

  

 john h

 mkIII

 Rock House, OR

  

  

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      I'm simply trying to save    lives.  Do you have a problem with my discussion?

   Am I supposed to contact that NTSB to show a    concern for Kolb pilots?

    

   Mike Welch 

    

    

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

Fran Losey

Joined: 21 Feb 2009
Posts: 61
Location: Boca Raton, FL

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:12 am Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

On 9/17/2010 12:57 AM, Mike Welch wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		        Mike, my uncle died in my kolb and no one knows what happened except for him. Kolbs Are great planes but are very unforgiving. I continue to fly Kolbs only because I know not to get close to that stall speed. I have only owned two Kolbs but I know the limits..this guy was on his first flight, it's a terrible situation because he didn't know the kolb and it's limits.

   Daniel

   

 Daniel,

    

     You are exactly right (with your last statement).  I am afraid it is possible it is as simple as 

   he may have simply misjudged what he was doing.  Of course, we will never know the whole truth now.

    

     It is only my intention to help educate those of us who fly, or are yet to fly, their Kolb aircraft.

   Crashing and dieing does little good to both the families left behind and the reputation of the aircraft.  I

   would like to reduce the damage by analyzing what we know, and learn from our errors.  Believe it or

   not, there may be people who have a problem with that.

    

   Mike Welch

   My condolences regarding your uncle, Daniel.

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 Mike and all,

 

 Although some bantering seems to occur when sensitive discussions are placed in the forum, I truly appreciate all feedback from all parties, as I feel it refreshes my awareness as a pilot, and allows me to step back for a minute, think about points that are stated,  and reflect how I would have handled (or not) such a situation. When this forum stops these healthy (and surely painful) discussions, I will most likely leave it... 

 

 I am in the middle of building right now, and although I did not know Scott personally, can say I appreciated his contributions on this forum, and felt in my gut he was a person that would give you the shirt off his back, asking nothing in return.

 

 Thanks for sharing, and listening.  RIP Scott.

 

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williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: Scott Thompson's accident

I think the current thread on the accident is good for the List.  Conjecture will bring awareness of the peculiarities of the handling of low drag, high lift, low weight aircraft.  The NTSB will eventually give the particulars.  Both will be good for all.  I hope someone will maintain Scott's web site, as it is an excellent reference.  We all are going to miss him.

  

                                                    Bill Sullivan

                                                    Windsor Locks, Ct.

                                                    FS 447

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