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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

Previously I posted this:

     

                                Match:            #4                             Message:            #28437                                                     Date:            Aug 28, 2010                                                     From:            Bill Mauledriver Watson                   <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>                                                     Subject:            Tool                     question - anyone familiar with Enderes tools?                           	  Quote: 	
		          I have this one long shaft phillips head screwdriver that         keeps falling into my hands. It seems to be a #1 phillips but         actually works better than both my #1 and #2 Craftsman drivers.         Probably inherited it from my Dad's shop. It's rusty and looks         like hell so I'm never drawn to it... until I'm struggling with         some screw. I always end up with this one in my hand and the         problem is solved.         I've looked Enderes up on the Web and see           they forge tools and blah blah. Any tool knowledgeable         people out there know anything about Enderes?           I think I want to try some more.                	
     So I've gone to the company web site with the intent of buying a few     shorter models than the 10" one I have. Their pricing makes it clear     that the best way to get one or two  is to find an old school     hardware store that carries them.  I found one 2 miles down the road     but they only had regular Enderes drivers in stock, no Phillips.

     

     Then a Google search turned up this little gem of a story from the     year 2000 on an old school Web site called "Everything2".  I was     amazed!

     

 http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=the+perfect+screwdriver&lastnode_id=1797151&searchy=search

     

     This is the exact screwdriver I've been lusting after!

     

     I will be a very happy camper if I can get a  set  of Enderes     Phillips drivers in the shorter sizes.  Maybe I'll just pay the $30     including $10 of  shipping for a set of 3 from the factory.

     

     With all the screws on our planes, it's nice to have the 'perfect     screwdriver' even if there is no such thing.  But I'm telling you,     this one works MUCH better than my Craftsman drivers.

     

     Bill "enjoying the paint" Watson

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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Location: Nevada

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:26 am Post subject: Enderes screwdriver - the perfect screwdriver = "X"

The biggest problem is the head of the Phillips driver - rolling out of the screw head and buggering the screw. 



A few years ago my former plane partner showed me something called the "X" head screwdriver. They are hard to find, but I located some at Snap-on at OSH a few years back. (just driver tips) They have 2 or 3 tiny but distinctive ridges or cuts on the side of the tip that seem to really grip the Phillips head channels. I did a few hundred screws yesterday - doing my annual and buggered only 2 screws.

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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

Yep, that's it.  Rolling out of the head is the problem and it's what 

this driver tends not to do. Even at an angle.   I don't know if this 

driver has that feature but I'm going to check.



If the "x" thing is the trick, I'll have to get some for my little 

powered drivers.  As mentioned  before, Costco has one at $20 which 

seems to be 50% of what it costs everywhere else.  Nice unit.



I just ordered 3 drivers and they are on their way.....one small step 

for this project, one giant leap for my tool box.  And  I'm happy.



Enderes was  reselling a 15 in 1  ratcheting driver that I'd like to get 

but it seems to be out of stock in all channels.  Will keep an eye out 

for it.



Bill



On 10/5/2010 7:26 AM, AirMike wrote:

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 The biggest problem is the head of the Phillips driver - rolling out of the screw head and buggering the screw.



 A few years ago my former plane partner showed me something called the "X" head screwdriver. They are hard to find, but I located some at Snap-on at OSH a few years back. (just driver tips) They have 2 or 3 tiny but distinctive ridges or cuts on the side of the tip that seem to really grip the Phillips head channels. I did a few hundred screws yesterday - doing my annual and buggered only 2 screws.

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:47 am Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

I was interested to hear that you found the Enderes screwdriver

so nice.  It's funny, around here at the local farm store

"Farm and Fleet", and also "Mills Fleet Farm" these things are

super common.  They've been on sale with the multi-driver where

you get a large/small philips on one end and large/small flat

on the other, and the hex shank is sized to do the size of

nutdriver that worm clamps use.  I just used mine to winterize

the boat.  It was interesting because I've always been amazed by

the screwdrivers. I have tons of screwdrivers, but many phillips

drivers just wear out and eventually you get a stub tip poking

in the center of the driver and the thing starts to skip

as it turns....but these seem to have some really good hardened

steel on the tips, along with those grooves, and they just

rarely skip and rarely wear out.  I have had good luck with

a particular stanley driver too, but for many years now these

enderes drivers have been what I use on the plane, because

I hate stripping screw heads. Whenever they're on sale for

under $3 I buy a couple.  The metal tip is as-described...not

chromed at all, just a dull grey on the tip.  I did find a

small version of it, I'm guessing made by Enderes, but it's

relabeled under a local store name, that seems to hold up

just as well, but is for small phillips screws and has a

flat on the other end.  I use that under the panel a lot.

I think it was .59 or .79 when I got one a couple weeks ago

for my laptop bag.

Whatever they do at Enderes, they do it right.  Hopefully

they won't start offshoring it from China like everyone

else seems to do.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 10/5/2010 9:00 AM, Bill Watson wrote:

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 Yep, that's it. Rolling out of the head is the problem and it's what

 this driver tends not to do. Even at an angle. I don't know if this

 driver has that feature but I'm going to check.

 If the "x" thing is the trick, I'll have to get some for my little

 powered drivers. As mentioned before, Costco has one at $20 which seems

 to be 50% of what it costs everywhere else. Nice unit.

 I just ordered 3 drivers and they are on their way.....one small step

 for this project, one giant leap for my tool box. And I'm happy.

 Enderes was reselling a 15 in 1 ratcheting driver that I'd like to get

 but it seems to be out of stock in all channels. Will keep an eye out

 for it.

 Bill

 On 10/5/2010 7:26 AM, AirMike wrote:

> 

>

> The biggest problem is the head of the Phillips driver - rolling out

> of the screw head and buggering the screw.

>

> A few years ago my former plane partner showed me something called the

> "X" head screwdriver. They are hard to find, but I located some at

> Snap-on at OSH a few years back. (just driver tips) They have 2 or 3

> tiny but distinctive ridges or cuts on the side of the tip that seem

> to really grip the Phillips head channels. I did a few hundred screws

> yesterday - doing my annual and buggered only 2 screws.

>

>

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aerosport1

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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

I have a Ryobi like this one that I love. I used it thru out my entire

build.



FWIW



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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:50 am Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

In Canada (where I'm originally from) Robertson screws have pretty much dominated over Phillips.  IMHO, they are superior in every way.  I've always wondered why they are so hard to find in the US...



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 A few years ago my former plane partner showed me something called the "X" head screwdriver. They are hard to find, but I located some at Snap-on at OSH a few years back. (just driver tips) They have 2 or 3 tiny but distinctive ridges or cuts on the side of the tip that seem to really grip the Phillips head channels. I did a few hundred screws yesterday - doing my annual and buggered only 2 screws.

  

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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

Chris:



Couple of years ago I got this book for my Dad (former machinist). I 

found it quite interesting. It tells about the history of the screws and 

the different heads. If I remember correctly, the reason the US has the 

Phillips drive type head and not the Robertson's is because of Henry 

Ford. Even then, they knew the square drive worked better, but Phillips 

had a cheaper screw, and therefore Henry Ford went with it.



This book is worth the $10. Get one for some one for xmas and pass it 

around.



Dr Fred

  One Good Turn: A Natural History of the Screwdriver and the Screw

  [Paperback]



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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

Just one more reason to use the CS screw with the internal hex head for the 

forward most 3-4 places on each side of the tunnel cover. Removing/inserting 

those with an Allen wrench beats Phillips head there anytime.



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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Enderes screwdriver redux - the perfect screwdriver

Another tip for getting out tough screws.  Put a little valve lapping compound on the tip of the screwdriver.  This has saved me countless times.

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