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Hello,
I have a Rotax 503, and the regulator that does not need a load or battery. My question is...
Can I connect the power from the output directly to my ICOM A20 radio and my Garmin Sat nav? I have fuses installed to protect from overload!
Thanks
Colin
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Hello Collin:
1 - Fuses do NOT protect the equipment they protect the wires.
2 - What voltage regulator do you have that does not require a ballast, load or battery?
3 - I WOULD NOT - go directly to the radio equipment. Use some SMALL battery if weight is an issue.
Barry
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Hello,
I have a Rotax 503, and the regulator that does nbot need a load or battery. My question is...
Can I connect the power from the output directly to my ICOM A20 radio and my Garmin Sat nav? I have fuses installed to protect from overload!
Thanks
Colin
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Dear Barry,
Thank you for the reply, I have a 264 870 regulator. The operators manual has a circuit in it show a non battery schematic? It’s page 20 – 1994. Is this possible please?
Thanks
Colin
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Hello Collin:
1 - Fuses do NOT protect the equipment they protect the wires.
2 - What voltage regulator do you have that does not require a ballast, load or battery?
3 - I WOULD NOT - go directly to the radio equipment. Use some SMALL battery if weight is an issue.
Barry
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Hello,
I have a Rotax 503, and the regulator that does nbot need a load or battery. My question is...
Can I connect the power from the output directly to my ICOM A20 radio and my Garmin Sat nav? I have fuses installed to protect from overload!
Thanks
Colin
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Colin, Take a look at the Installation Manual section 18.5.2, figure 42, page 18.5. The 264 870 regulator is described as "not limited to minimum 1 ampere consumption", not that it can be run without something to smooth the electrical output of the alternator. This is the purpose of the capacitor or battery. If weight is an issue, use the capacitor. If you think you might want to run your equipment without the engine running, use the battery. The cap should be an electrolytic type and you must take care to make sure it is correctly connected. If you wire it wrong it WILL go bang! Also, if you disconnect it after it has been charged, be sure to discharge it. A capacitor can hold a charge for months.
If you go with a battery, make sure you take note of the minimum capacity ( 9 AH ).As far as fusing the equipment goes, use the manufacturers recommendations.
Rick Girard
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Thanks Richard,
WILCO on your advice,
Regards
Colin
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Colin, Take a look at the Installation Manual section 18.5.2, figure 42, page 18.5. The 264 870 regulator is described as "not limited to minimum 1 ampere consumption", not that it can be run without something to smooth the electrical output of the alternator. This is the purpose of the capacitor or battery. If weight is an issue, use the capacitor. If you think you might want to run your equipment without the engine running, use the battery.
The cap should be an electrolytic type and you must take care to make sure it is correctly connected. If you wire it wrong it WILL go bang! Also, if you disconnect it after it has been charged, be sure to discharge it. A capacitor can hold a charge for months.
If you go with a battery, make sure you take note of the minimum capacity ( 9 AH ).
As far as fusing the equipment goes, use the manufacturers recommendations.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Colin Dix <colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com (colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com)> wrote:
Dear Barry,
Thank you for the reply, I have a 264 870 regulator. The operators manual has a circuit in it show a non battery schematic? It’s page 20 – 1994. Is this possible please?
Thanks
Colin
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Subject: Re: 503 electrical system
Hello Collin:
1 - Fuses do NOT protect the equipment they protect the wires.
2 - What voltage regulator do you have that does not require a ballast, load or battery?
3 - I WOULD NOT - go directly to the radio equipment. Use some SMALL battery if weight is an issue.
Barry
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Hello,
I have a Rotax 503, and the regulator that does nbot need a load or battery. My question is...
Can I connect the power from the output directly to my ICOM A20 radio and my Garmin Sat nav? I have fuses installed to protect from overload!
Thanks
Colin
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Hello Collin:
I took a LQQK at the web site with the voltage regulators.
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The do show three configurations.
1 - Without a battery - But, it does nave a ballast - The 2,000 uF Cap. I do not care for this type of system in that you are relying on an electrolytic capacitor to do your filtering and load regulation. They do fail due to heat and life expediency. And when they fail YOU WILL NOT KNOW IT... until your radios die and smoke.
2 - Regulator with a battery - MUCH BETTER and if you want additional filtering you can put the 2,000 uF Cap in parallel with the battery. If the Cap fails... So What! The battery is still there.
3 - This set up is dependent upon IF YOU have a Starter with your plane. If so.... It makes perfectly good sense to use it.
ALSO NOTE: The minimum size of the Battery is 9 AH for system #2 and 16 AH for system #3.
If you have the room and can handle the weight - This is one time BIGGER is BETTER.
Hope this helps,
Barry
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Barry,
Weight and room is a big problem here, I will be on limit. I will use a pull starter. I guess I could make a Voltage regulator system using passive devices, but is that what the Rotax unit does anyway? The Radio is portable, therefore has its own battery, and so does the GPS, It is a Garmin 296.
Thanks
Colin
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Subject: Re: 503 electrical system
Hello Collin:
I took a LQQK at the web site with the voltage regulators.
http://www.challengers101.com/RotaxChargeSys.html
Your regulator: 264 870
The do show three configurations.
1 - Without a battery - But, it does nave a ballast - The 2,000 uF Cap. I do not care for this type of system in that you are relying on an electrolytic capacitor to do your filtering and load regulation. They do fail due to heat and life expediency. And when they fail YOU WILL NOT KNOW IT... until your radios die and smoke.
2 - Regulator with a battery - MUCH BETTER and if you want additional filtering you can put the 2,000 uF Cap in parallel with the battery. If the Cap fails... So What! The battery is still there.
3 - This set up is dependent upon IF YOU have a Starter with your plane. If so.... It makes perfectly good sense to use it.
ALSO NOTE: The minimum size of the Battery is 9 AH for system #2 and 16 AH for system #3.
If you have the room and can handle the weight - This is one time BIGGER is BETTER.
Hope this helps,
Barry
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Colin Dix <colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com (colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com)> wrote:
Dear Barry,
Thank you for the reply, I have a 264 870 regulator. The operators manual has a circuit in it show a non battery schematic? It’s page 20 – 1994. Is this possible please?
Thanks
Colin
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: 12 October 2010 13:58
To: rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com (rotaxengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: 503 electrical system
Hello Collin:
1 - Fuses do NOT protect the equipment they protect the wires.
2 - What voltage regulator do you have that does not require a ballast, load or battery?
3 - I WOULD NOT - go directly to the radio equipment. Use some SMALL battery if weight is an issue.
Barry
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM, niceonetidy <colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com (colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com)> wrote:
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Hello,
I have a Rotax 503, and the regulator that does nbot need a load or battery. My question is...
Can I connect the power from the output directly to my ICOM A20 radio and my Garmin Sat nav? I have fuses installed to protect from overload!
Thanks
Colin
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Why not use the Key West regulator? It offers clean, filtered 12VDC
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Colin:
Than go with option #2.
You would want some sort of backup for the radio and GPS.
Use a small Battery - A 9 AH would be about 4x4x5" and could fit almost anywhere.
Under a seat, in a small box mounted to the firewall (inside or out), or even in a hanging pocket on the back of a seat.
It will supply you with more than enough power for a HT & GPS.
With the HT... What also is important is your antenna.
Good Luck,
Barry
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Barry,
Weight and room is a big problem here, I will be on limit. I will use a pull starter. I guess I could make a Voltage regulator system using passive devices, but is that what the Rotax unit does anyway? The Radio is portable, therefore has its own battery, and so does the GPS, It is a Garmin 296.
Thanks
Colin
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Sent: 12 October 2010 17:40
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Subject: Re: 503 electrical system
Hello Collin:
I took a LQQK at the web site with the voltage regulators.
http://www.challengers101.com/RotaxChargeSys.html
Your regulator: 264 870
The do show three configurations.
1 - Without a battery - But, it does nave a ballast - The 2,000 uF Cap. I do not care for this type of system in that you are relying on an electrolytic capacitor to do your filtering and load regulation. They do fail due to heat and life expediency. And when they fail YOU WILL NOT KNOW IT... until your radios die and smoke.
2 - Regulator with a battery - MUCH BETTER and if you want additional filtering you can put the 2,000 uF Cap in parallel with the battery. If the Cap fails... So What! The battery is still there.
3 - This set up is dependent upon IF YOU have a Starter with your plane. If so.... It makes perfectly good sense to use it.
ALSO NOTE: The minimum size of the Battery is 9 AH for system #2 and 16 AH for system #3.
If you have the room and can handle the weight - This is one time BIGGER is BETTER.
Hope this helps,
Barry
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Colin Dix <colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com (colin.dix(at)bailey-steam.com)> wrote:
Dear Barry,
Thank you for the reply, I have a 264 870 regulator. The operators manual has a circuit in it show a non battery schematic? It’s page 20 – 1994. Is this possible please?
Thanks
Colin
From: owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rotaxengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
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Subject: Re: 503 electrical system
Hello Collin:
1 - Fuses do NOT protect the equipment they protect the wires.
2 - What voltage regulator do you have that does not require a ballast, load or battery?
3 - I WOULD NOT - go directly to the radio equipment. Use some SMALL battery if weight is an issue.
Barry
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Hello,
I have a Rotax 503, and the regulator that does nbot need a load or battery. My question is...
Can I connect the power from the output directly to my ICOM A20 radio and my Garmin Sat nav? I have fuses installed to protect from overload!
Thanks
Colin
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