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JohnF

Joined: 13 May 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit

Here is my opinion. I just received an oil pressure  sender remoting kit for my Rotax 912ULS. It came but there's no sender...just a  few nuts, screws, a small piece of braided "wire" and a clamp for a sender, but  no sender. It does have a braded tube to connect the engine's outlet to the  remoted sender. But for $75 is gets my rating as as "rip off." Unless you have  so much money that you don't care what things cost, I'd recommend you look  elsewhere.

  

  

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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit

Ya know John, I think you are 100% correct!



I have been reading here on the Rotax group for about three months and I'm leaning more and more away from a Rotax.

There seams to be so many issues and Service Bulletins.  I know they call Lycoming,  Lysorius and I even call them Lie-Coming.  But it really looks like the O-235 has it all over the Rotax.  Too bad they are not water cooled.

 Years ago before I had a need for a Rotax type engine everyone was singing their praise.  Now the company has reached the same cost stage and lack of quality stage as Lie-Coming.  And it sure looks like they are pricing themselves out of the market or at least trying to equal a market that is quite over priced. 

 There is a business saying that seams to fit:  "What got you hear won't keep you here."

I'm still going to stick with this group because I want to learn a few things.  Or is it because everyone stops to watch an accident in slow motion.

 



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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit

Every engine company has SB's and the Rotax is no exception, but Rotax is usually proactive and not reactive like others. They also cover their parts if need be. They have a tremendous track record that Lycoming and Continental don't have on an engine by engine basis and if maintained as per Rotax could out live its owner. I have friends with experimental's that have over 3000 hrs and have never done a thing to the engine. Can't do that very well with either of the others especially if you use 100LL. With the shear number of engines produced every year by Rotax it is no wonder they have become a world leader in light aircraft engine manufacturing. Even the new twin engine Tecnam uses 2 Rotax engines and that plane is a $450K plane. Why didn't Tecnam pick a Continental or a Lycoming. Why are most light aircraft Mfg's around the world going to and using Rotax. I don't think I would sell them too short. Rotax have been building the 912 series engine since late 1989 and has boomed over the other engine Mfg's. That didn't happen because they make a bad engine.

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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit

Used to have a Rotax 912 and  582.  I got tired of the voluminous SB (lots of them to CYA) which caused  us to have work done by a repairman who had to purchase Rotax brand parts.   The price started to jump so much, and in my opinion the documentation was so  poor not giving good diagrams nor instructions, that my Cessna friend said I  would not pay those prices.

  

 I switched to an australian engine  and enjoy it,  its reliability (as is the Rotax),  and its economical  operation.  That was one of the reasons why when I considered an S-LSA i  purposely did not want to get involved with Rotax again.  I was also  unhappy with their support.  I have been happy with my alternative decision  for the past 3.5 yrs and 273 hrs.

  

 Just my opinion what worked for  me,

 Ivan

  

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lucien

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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit

JMO,



The only real drawbacks of the Rotax that I've found over the years:



- They're foreign-made. That's mostly what leads to the crazy parts prices, like the $60/meter water hose and $270 oil pressure senders for the 912, etc. You have that long dealer chain and foreign exchange rates, etc., that contribute to that. Not like the Lyc/Cont. engines have cheap parts either; they pay hundreds of bucks for little scraps of rubber too. But the Rotax is at least as bad and sometimes worse when it comes to parts prices.



- The 912 is (or was) practically a disposable motor at overhaul time. The 2-strokes were still usually worth it to rebuild when they finally did wear out  (unless you really had to replace everything inside it), but the 912's overhaul cost was always so bad that it was best to just throw it away and get a new one.  



I believe Rotax now has a short-block option for the 912 that (finally) makes zero-timing a runout motor a cost-effective option (Roger and Thom may know more about this?), putting it around 50 to 60% of new.  



Otherwise, some of the Rotax motors you can't do better. The 503 is still the best deal in aviation for 50hp to crank a prop on an airplane, nothing else comes even close in terms of purchase price, gearbox options, field experience on setup and use, etc. The 912ULS is probably about as good as you can do in the 100hp range at the current time. The new lightweight O-200 still weighs a ton and a half, costs about the same and I don't think it's even available yet for general purchase (?). The Jabiru is limited in terms of prop options because of the direct drive/high-ish speed operation. So it's not a good alternative in many light aircraft applications, such as lower speed planes like trikes, etc.  And now with the 2000 hour TBO and (I've heard?) the short-block option, it's overall cost is a good deal for 100hp.



So it's kind of a mixed bag. The 582, for example, isn't really cost effective anymore. Its purchase price with a gearbox is too high and there are competitors now that are a better deal (the Jab 2200 and HKS) unless you really need the power/weight. The 447 was one of the best motors Rotax ever made, but sheer market forces have apparently killed it at the current time. The 912UL is a little heavy for its power output and is only about $1500 cheaper than the 100hp.



For me, it's not a slam-dunk for Rotax, it'd depend on the type of plane I was going to fly. But for LSA class planes it's probably still about the best choice overall plus or minus....



LS

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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: Kitfox Remote Oil Pressure Kit

I just ordered this kit from Kitfox for my Zenith 701. Having same issues as others with OP. I also put on order for $41 from kitfox

   a new VDO sender with  - and + terminals.

   I was really happy to find the kit because I was not thrilled about shopping around and figuring out what was needed.

   I called kitfox and ordered by phone, when asked what model kifox I owned I said the CH-701 model. they joked that the price was double for a 701. They were helpful and friendly.

   Here is a link to some pics of the kit from the teamkitfox forums.

   http://www.teamkitfox.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=11042

 The parts look good quality and cannot say what the total individual parts would

   cost if you put this together yourself. 

    

   Brian

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