Matronics Email Lists :: View topic - Looking for a quick build right wing!

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

Looking for a quick build right wing!
Goto page 1, 2 Next

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but broke my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not have a quick build right wing in stock. It will be many months before they can build one. Does anyone out there have a quick build right wing for sale? I have attached pictures to show what happens when you have a bird strike at 170 mph.  

   

David C. Watterson  

N2733K

long_view.JPG

Description:

Filesize:

521.95 KB

Viewed:

6707 Time(s)

close_up.JPG

Description:

Filesize:

497.05 KB

Viewed:

6707 Time(s)

Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Can you just replace the outboard L.E. Skin?  Can't tell on my phone pic if you damaged further aft. 



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:01, "David Watterson" <davidw(at)dddirectories.com (davidw(at)dddirectories.com)> wrote:



[quote]    

I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but broke my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not have a quick build right wing in stock. It will be many months before they can build one. Does anyone out there have a quick build right wing for sale? I have attached pictures to show what happens when you have a bird strike at 170 mph.  

   

David C. Watterson  

N2733K  

     

<long view.JPG>

<close up.JPG>

[b]

_________________
40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Why not drill out the rivets and replace the damaged parts, or is it     a parts supply problem too???

     Linn

     

     On 11/11/2010 10:01 AM, David Watterson wrote:     [quote]                          <![endif]-->       <![endif]-->                

I             went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the             bird but broke my             wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not             have a quick build             right wing in stock. It will be many months before they can             build one. Does anyone             out there have a quick build right wing for sale? I have             attached pictures to             show what happens when you have a bird strike at 170 mph.         

          

David C.             Watterson         

N2733K       

     [b]

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

It would appear(from photos) the damage is confined to the leading edge 

outside the fuel tank. I would expect that replacement of the leading 

edge skin and a rib or two is likely what is needed. There may be some 

issues with exactly how to do the riveting given the rest of the wing is 

done, but likely most could be done conventionally with perhaps a few 

cherry max rivets on the bottom side to finish closing it off. Or you 

may be able to access it all by first removing the fuel tank, then 

reinstalling tank after repairs. It would be surprising if there is 

damage to the spar itself, which would be the only reason to consider a 

full replacement wing. These kind of things get fixed on certified 

planes all the time. More difficult on say a Mooney where wing skin is 

continuous from bottom trailing edge all the way over leading edge back 

to top trailing edge. In some cases on weaker spars like a Cezzna the 

spar may get a splice if there is spar damage. RV-10 spar is pretty 

beefy, so should be okay.

Kelly

40866, waiting for finish kit.

A&P/IA

On 11/11/2010 8:01 AM, David Watterson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but 

 broke my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not 

 have a quick build right wing in stock. It will be many months before 

 they can build one. Does anyone out there have a quick build right 

 wing for sale? I have attached pictures to show what happens when you 

 have a bird strike at 170 mph.



 David C. Watterson



 N2733K

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

I forgot to mention that of course anyone that can build an RV-10 has

the skill to repair the damage fairly quickly, with ready parts access

from Vans. Of course we would like to just hand it to the insurance

company to get fixed, but that is likely to be much more difficult

given the higher quality control and expectations for experimental.

 Then there is also the lack of need for any fed approval, lack of

need of licensed mechanic etc.  Just do it to your standards.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:01 AM, David Watterson

<davidw(at)dddirectories.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but broke

 my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not have a quick

 build right wing in stock. It will be many months before they can build one.

 Does anyone out there have a quick build right wing for sale? I have

 attached pictures to show what happens when you have a bird strike at 170

 mph.



 David C. Watterson



 N2733K

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Hi David,



A couple quick questions...



1) What kind of bird was it, any idea?  How large, is

my main reasoning to ask.



2) How did the plane fly for you after that. Was it

noticeably harder to control, or just pretty normal?



Also, regarding the repair, I would tend to agree with

what Kelly just posted...you should be able to repair

it unless the spar is damaged.  Personally, I don't

know that I'd bother just doing a small repair if I

couldn't do it and make it look perfect.  What I'd be

inclined to do is yank the wing, buy all new wing

skins for the other half of the wing, and the affected

ribs, and then just reskin the wing.  If you pull the

tank off, you should be able to buck the rivets

from the ends and you could end up with a wing that

looks and works as good as new.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 11/11/2010 9:01 AM, David Watterson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but

 broke my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not have

 a quick build right wing in stock. It will be many months before they

 can build one. Does anyone out there have a quick build right wing for

 sale? I have attached pictures to show what happens when you have a bird

 strike at 170 mph.



 David C. Watterson



 N2733K

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:04 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Spar is bent also. Insurance company wants a new wing.  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters

 Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:29 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Looking for a quick build right wing!  

Why not drill out the rivets and replace the damaged parts, or is it a parts supply problem too???

 Linn

 On 11/11/2010 10:01 AM, David Watterson wrote:   

I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but broke my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not have a quick build right wing in stock. It will be many months before they can build one. Does anyone out there have a quick build right wing for sale? I have attached pictures to show what happens when you have a bird strike at 170 mph.  

David C. Watterson  

N2733K  

    	  Quote: 	

<www.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.matronic=================[/b][/quote]http://forums.matronics.com[/url]=====[/b][b]

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Thank you for your comments. The spar is bent! The insurance company

recommended a full wing replacement. I am talking with a few local builders

to determine the best action to take.



--

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

The spar is bent!  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano

 Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:28 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Looking for a quick build right wing!  

Can you just replace the outboard L.E. Skin?  Can't tell on my phone pic if you damaged further aft. 

 Sent from my iPhone  

 On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:01, "David Watterson" <davidw(at)dddirectories.com (davidw(at)dddirectories.com)> wrote:  

   	  Quote: 	

I went bird hunting this last weekend with my RV10. Got the bird but broke my wing in the process. I have talked to Vans and they do not have a quick build right wing in stock. It will be many months before they can build one. Does anyone out there have a quick build right wing for sale? I have attached pictures to show what happens when you have a bird strike at 170 mph.  

David C. Watterson  

N2733K  

<long view.JPG>  

<close up.JPG>  

0 	  Quote: 	

1 	  Quote: 	

2 	  Quote: 	

3 	  Quote: 	

4 	  Quote: 	

5 	  Quote: 	

6 	  Quote: 	

7 	  Quote: 	

8 	  Quote: 	

9 	  Quote: 	

0 	  Quote: 	

1 	  Quote: 	

2 	  Quote: 	

3 	  Quote: 	

4 	  Quote: 	

5 	  Quote: 	

6 	  Quote: 	

7 	  Quote: 	

8 	  Quote: 	

9 	  Quote: 	

0 	  Quote: 	

1 	  Quote: 	

2 	  Quote: 	

3 	  Quote: 	

4 	  Quote: 	

5 	  Quote: 	

6 	  Quote: 	

7 	  Quote: 	

8 	  Quote: 	

9

       [quote][b]

pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:13 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Lord!  What kind of bird was it?  An Ostrich?  

Jack Phillips  

#40610  

Raleigh, NC  

--

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

OK, that does change things. I know some of us are more than a year

away from flying and have QB right wing on hand, only lacking whatever

extras you choose to install. I think the main issue is going to be

what Vans says about fit into the spar carrythrough that isn't matched

to the new spar, whether from one of us or from Vans. It Van's says

there is no longer an issue with the bolt hole alignment with spar

carry though, then I certainly wouldn't have heart burn exchanging my

QB right wing that hasn't had much more that attaching flaps, aileron

and control tube hardware installed. Where you are located certainly

enters the equation, as well as what Vans can promise about a

replacement.

I'd also want to know what Van's opinion would be as to straightening

the spar, what the degree of bend is. I know prop shops can legally

straighten props that have mild bends, and have means to do that. That

must have been something like Canada goose or turkey vulture to have

actually gotten enough force on the spar to cause a bend.



On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:03 AM, David Watterson

<davidw(at)dddirectories.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Thank you for your comments. The spar is bent! The insurance company

 recommended a full wing replacement. I am talking with a few local builders

 to determine the best action to take.

_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Could be an easy rebuild even with the bent spar....the

Van's RV-10 Wing kit is $9250.0   Figure maybe that

you would have to spend 60% of that ($5550) to buy all

of the components for one new Starbord wing.  It took

me maybe 325 hours to build both wings, slow build.

Cut that by 25% for having done one before and you'd

be at 250 hrs for a pair, 125 hours for one.

125 hours could be done in a pretty short time...far

less than the wait for a quickbuild wing.  Also, if

you factored in the parts that you could re-use, like

the control rods, control rod ends, brackets,

ailerons, flaps, and all the pieces that are easily

removable, you'd only really have to build the wing

itself and it would be a whole new wing.  If the

insurance company let you re-use ailerons/flaps,

and some control rods and parts, you could probably

rebuild the entire wing in 100 hours or so,

and spend less than $5000 doing it. If you could

talk them into obtaining a couple quotes for new

wings from other sources, maybe they'd cut a check

for >$5000 and you could end up with getting some

money back for the time invested, too.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 11/11/2010 10:03 AM, David Watterson wrote:

[quote] 



 Thank you for your comments. The spar is bent! The insurance company

 recommended a full wing replacement. I am talking with a few local builders

 to determine the best action to take.



 --

philperry9(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

If you do discover that you need a new carry through for match drilling, let me know.



They're around $1,300 from Vans and I purchased a second one in the process of acquiring a friends kit.  I'll be happy to make you a deal for it because I'm not going to be needing it.

 

Phil



On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Could be an easy rebuild even with the bent spar....the

 Van's RV-10 Wing kit is $9250.0   Figure maybe that

 you would have to spend 60% of that ($5550) to buy all

 of the components for one new Starbord wing.  It took

 me maybe 325 hours to build both wings, slow build.

 Cut that by 25% for having done one before and you'd

 be at 250 hrs for a pair, 125 hours for one.

 125 hours could be done in a pretty short time...far

 less than the wait for a quickbuild wing.  Also, if

 you factored in the parts that you could re-use, like

 the control rods, control rod ends, brackets,

 ailerons, flaps, and all the pieces that are easily

 removable, you'd only really have to build the wing

 itself and it would be a whole new wing.  If the

 insurance company let you re-use ailerons/flaps,

 and some control rods and parts, you could probably

 rebuild the entire wing in 100 hours or so,

 and spend less than $5000 doing it. If you could

 talk them into obtaining a couple quotes for new

 wings from other sources, maybe they'd cut a check

 for >$5000 and you could end up with getting some

 money back for the time invested, too.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 

 

 On 11/11/2010 10:03 AM, David Watterson wrote:

 

[quote] -->  RV10-List message posted by: "David Watterson"<davidw(at)dddirectories.com (davidw(at)dddirectories.com)>

 

 Thank you for your comments. The spar is bent! The insurance company

 recommended a full wing replacement. I am talking with a few local builders

 to determine the best action to take.

 



 --

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Good thoughts! Thanks Tim!



--

robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

David,

	Sorry to see you are going to be down for a while. But good

airmanship to bring her home safely. I would love for you to respond to

Tim's question when you have a few minutes about the flying

characteristics of an RV-10 after the damage occurred. BTW the worst type

of bird to hit is an American Eagle (the AA type).



Thanks,

Robin

--

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:51 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Kelly,



Vans says no problem with the alignment. I did not talk to engineering to

see about straightening the spar. My insurance adjuster was not in favor of

it, but that doesn't rule out the possibility. Vans told me it would take 4

months to get a quick build right wing.



I am in Kerrville, TX (kerv). Let me know where you are, the info on your

quick build and if you think you are willing to sell.



Thanks,



David C. Watterson

N2733K



--

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Just spoke with Vans and they say this is a pre-punched airplane and all parts match up perfectly.  

   

David  

     

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry

 Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:53 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Looking for a quick build right wing!  

  

   

If you do discover that you need a new carry through for match drilling, let me know.

 

 They're around $1,300 from Vans and I purchased a second one in the process of acquiring a friends kit.  I'll be happy to make you a deal for it because I'm not going to be needing it.

 

 Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Could be an easy rebuild even with the bent spar....the

 Van's RV-10 Wing kit is $9250.0   Figure maybe that

 you would have to spend 60% of that ($5550) to buy all

 of the components for one new Starbord wing.  It took

 me maybe 325 hours to build both wings, slow build.

 Cut that by 25% for having done one before and you'd

 be at 250 hrs for a pair, 125 hours for one.

 125 hours could be done in a pretty short time...far

 less than the wait for a quickbuild wing.  Also, if

 you factored in the parts that you could re-use, like

 the control rods, control rod ends, brackets,

 ailerons, flaps, and all the pieces that are easily

 removable, you'd only really have to build the wing

 itself and it would be a whole new wing.  If the

 insurance company let you re-use ailerons/flaps,

 and some control rods and parts, you could probably

 rebuild the entire wing in 100 hours or so,

 and spend less than $5000 doing it. If you could

 talk them into obtaining a couple quotes for new

 wings from other sources, maybe they'd cut a check

 for >$5000 and you could end up with getting some

 money back for the time invested, too.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive    



 

 

 On 11/11/2010 10:03 AM, David Watterson wrote:  

  [quote]    

-->  RV10-List message posted by: "David Watterson"<davidw(at)dddirectories.com (davidw(at)dddirectories.com)>

 

 Thank you for your comments. The spar is bent! The insurance company

 recommended a full wing replacement. I am talking with a few local builders

 to determine the best action to take.  

  

--

Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Hey David,



I've got a quick build wing that I won't get to for at least a year ... but 

I'm in South Carolina, see if you can find one closer.



Also curious about Tim's questions.



Later, - Lew

_________________
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:42 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

--

davidw(at)dddirectories.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: Looking for a quick build right wing!

Just spoke with Vans and they say this is a pre-punched airplane and all parts match up perfectly.  

   

David  

   

     

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry

 Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:53 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Looking for a quick build right wing!  

  

   

If you do discover that you need a new carry through for match drilling, let me know.

 

 They're around $1,300 from Vans and I purchased a second one in the process of acquiring a friends kit.  I'll be happy to make you a deal for it because I'm not going to be needing it.

 

 Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

     

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 Could be an easy rebuild even with the bent spar....the

 Van's RV-10 Wing kit is $9250.0   Figure maybe that

 you would have to spend 60% of that ($5550) to buy all

 of the components for one new Starbord wing.  It took

 me maybe 325 hours to build both wings, slow build.

 Cut that by 25% for having done one before and you'd

 be at 250 hrs for a pair, 125 hours for one.

 125 hours could be done in a pretty short time...far

 less than the wait for a quickbuild wing.  Also, if

 you factored in the parts that you could re-use, like

 the control rods, control rod ends, brackets,

 ailerons, flaps, and all the pieces that are easily

 removable, you'd only really have to build the wing

 itself and it would be a whole new wing.  If the

 insurance company let you re-use ailerons/flaps,

 and some control rods and parts, you could probably

 rebuild the entire wing in 100 hours or so,

 and spend less than $5000 doing it. If you could

 talk them into obtaining a couple quotes for new

 wings from other sources, maybe they'd cut a check

 for >$5000 and you could end up with getting some

 money back for the time invested, too.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive    



 

 

 On 11/11/2010 10:03 AM, David Watterson wrote:  

  [quote]    

-->  RV10-List message posted by: "David Watterson"<davidw(at)dddirectories.com (davidw(at)dddirectories.com)>

 

 Thank you for your comments. The spar is bent! The insurance company

 recommended a full wing replacement. I am talking with a few local builders

 to determine the best action to take.  

  

--

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page 1, 2 Next
Page 1 of 2

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum