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I still have my military green cold flying suit fir sale. Like a military jump suit except it is light and very warm lots of zippers and good looking. Almost new. Flew rag and tube planes for several years with it. Want a hundred. Will send picks and i will refund money if you get cold wearing it!!! Okay to contact off list. Ted cowan. Slingshot 912ul zoom zoom
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1. 07:51 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS)
2. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (John Hauck)
3. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (Larry Cottrell)
4. 12:02 PM - Re: looking for a 582 exhaust manifold (tombaisley)
5. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage (John Hauck)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 07:51:17 AM PST US
From: "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" <dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil>
Subject: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
Larry Cottrell wrote:
<< I'm not sure how cold is too cold? ... dressing properly is a whole lot easier
than all the engineering you would have to do. Larry >>
Kolb Friends -
I hafta agree with Larry, in that dressing warmly is much easier than plumbing
heat into your Kolb cockpit.
Here in the higher elevations of northern New Mexico, I am happy to report that
I fly my Mark-3 every month of the year, despite the fact that temps get well
below freezing from Nov thru March. I do not have a heater. Instead, I just
wear lots of layers - double socks, long johns, scarf, wool cap, ski gloves,
etc. My cockpit is semi-open, so whatever the ambient temperature is outside
at altitude, that's what's in the cockpit. At least I'm out of the wind - that
helps.
I've flown in single-digit temps (degrees F), and am OK for about an hour. But
that's the duration I usually fly, as most of my winter flights are just local.
What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on cold days.
I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would not start.
To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine all winter long,
between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep the heat in.
So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts right up!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, in
Sandia Park, NM
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 10:41:52 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on
cold days. I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would
not start. To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine
all winter long, between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep
the heat in. So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts right
up!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, in
Sandia Park, NM
Dennis K/Kolbers:
I think the key to starting both 2 strokes and 4 stroke Rotax engines is
following the factory recommended procedure and having a "hot" battery.
Never had a problem starting any of my cold 912 series engines.
-Throttle closed.
-Enricher full on.
-Battery fully charged to turn the engine over at or above 200 rpm.
Helps to have good spark plugs and fresh fuel.
I'm ready to fly, but the weather at hauck's holler isn't. Just bumped 40F
at noon today. Outlook is more of and colder temps for the next week.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 11:02:14 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
I have read both of your thoughts and agree with both of them, however
Dennis with his light bulb keeps the oil warm, and that would place less
stress on the engine and the parts. It wouldn't take much to either turn
the light on before you intend to fly, or put it on a timer to come on
sometime in the night and go off in the morning.
I have kept a "maintenance charger" on my battery this winter, and while it
had a lot of poop, it still took three tries and a long time grinding to
get mine to fire the last time I flew. Of course it is a bit colder here
than in Ala.
Larry
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on
> cold days. I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would
> not start. To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine
> all winter long, between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep
> the heat in. So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts
> right
> up!
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3, 912ul, in
> Sandia Park, NM
>
>
> Dennis K/Kolbers:
>
> I think the key to starting both 2 strokes and 4 stroke Rotax engines is
> following the factory recommended procedure and having a "hot" battery.
>
> Never had a problem starting any of my cold 912 series engines.
>
> -Throttle closed.
>
> -Enricher full on.
>
> -Battery fully charged to turn the engine over at or above 200 rpm.
>
> Helps to have good spark plugs and fresh fuel.
>
> I'm ready to fly, but the weather at hauck's holler isn't. Just bumped 40F
> at noon today. Outlook is more of and colder temps for the next week.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 12:02:09 PM PST US
Subject: Re: looking for a 582 exhaust manifold
From: "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com>
Well that was easy,
Thanks, Bob
Tom
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 12:44:41 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
I've flown a few places north of Alabama. 
I agree with a warm engine and a hot battery.
1961, Bad Tolz, Germany, my Volvo battery was not strong enough to crank the
engine in near zero conditions. A tea kettle of hot water poured over the
battery that was mounted in the middle high on the firewall, was enough to
wake it up and give me a start.
A lot of Rotax folks have difficulty starting in cool weather because that
don't follow the Rotax recommended start sequence.
High of 42F here. We are having a heat wave.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Kolb Firestar Winter storage
I have read both of your thoughts and agree with both of them, however
Dennis with his light bulb keeps the oil warm, and that would place less
stress on the engine and the parts. It wouldn't take much to either turn the
light on before you intend to fly, or put it on a timer to come on sometime
in the night and go off in the morning.
I have kept a "maintenance charger" on my battery this winter, and while it
had a lot of poop, it still took three tries and a long time grinding to get
mine to fire the last time I flew. Of course it is a bit colder here than in
Ala.
Larry
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:41 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
What is important though, is to have your engine warm enough to start on
cold days. I have had a few occasions below 20 degrees where my 912 would
not start. To remedy this, I leave a 40-watt bulb tucked under the engine
all winter long, between flights. I keep a blanket over the engine to keep
the heat in. So now, when I go out to fly in winter, the Rotax starts right
up!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul, in
Sandia Park, NM
Dennis K/Kolbers:
I think the key to starting both 2 strokes and 4 stroke Rotax engines is
following the factory recommended procedure and having a "hot" battery.
Never had a problem starting any of my cold 912 series engines.
-Throttle closed.
-Enricher full on.
-Battery fully charged to turn the engine over at or above 200 rpm.
Helps to have good spark plugs and fresh fuel.
I'm ready to fly, but the weather at hauck's holler isn't. Just bumped 40F
at noon today. Outlook is more of and colder temps for the next week.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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