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Am getting close to hanging engine to start trimming cowling, I don't yet have the fwf kit or anything yet. Should I be planning to be removing engine again and again while working on things between engine mount and firewall or can I plan on one time permanent mount?
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Dave,
I imagine you will have it back off at least once and maybe more.
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On Dec 2, 2010, at 9:04 PM, rvdave wrote:
Am getting close to hanging engine to start trimming cowling, I don't
yet have the fwf kit or anything yet. Should I be planning to be
removing engine again and again while working on things between
engine mount and firewall or can I plan on one time permanent mount?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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If you don't have the fwf kit yet you'll want to pull it off again. Lots of stuff gets mounted on the fw that is easier w/o the engine on.
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Am getting close to hanging engine to start trimming cowling, I don't yet have the fwf kit or anything yet. Should I be planning to be removing engine again and again while working on things between engine mount and firewall or can I plan on one time permanent mount?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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My thoughts are to first get isolators and bolts/nuts, hang engine to line up & mark where penetrations must be made through firewall, complete baffling & cowl fitting, take it off once for room to work, then if I haven't forgotten anything, one last mounting. Can it be that simple? 
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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I hung my engine right away. I believe some items might be easier done without the engine but I had no problems doing everything later. Sometimes it's just easier to get some items done and go on. Maybe it is mental but mounting the engine was a motivator for me. That goes for the subpanel too. There comes a time when you just have to do it and move on and you get things done.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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I mounted mine only once. If you have a pretty standard setup, mount stuff and put the firewall penetrations where Van's tells you to, and do the things Van's tells you to do before mounting the engine, it works out fine. I did add a couple extra holes later on the upper part of the firewall, but there's plenty of room to work up there, even with the engine on.
I'd recommend getting the FWF kit now, or at least the few items you need to install before mounting the engine.
-Rob
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
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If you don't have the fwf kit yet you'll want to pull it off again. Lots of stuff gets mounted on the fw that is easier w/o the engine on.
Jesse Saint
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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As many have mentioned, I purchased these parts that are indicated on FF1-3 that would be easier to install before the engine mount.
I wanted to get the engine mounted so that I could start working on the cowl. Since I'm on the incur no debt plan, I didn't have the cash for the FWF kit. So to more effectively manage my budget, I just ordered these parts in advance. I'll order the rest of the FWF kit a few months down the road.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:50 am Post subject: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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I mounted & removed mine once (with FWF kit) so I could do the cowl
fitting and for inspiration.
I would suggest not trying to remove or re-install with the prop
attached. The initial mounting was a surprisingly easy 1 person
operation. However, with the prop on it, I just couldn't coax it back
onto the mounting. It seemed like it shouldn't matter but once I
decided to remove the prop (multi-person op 3 weeks later), the engine
slipped on in 15 min.
Bill
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Am getting close to hanging engine to start trimming cowling, I don't yet have the fwf kit or anything yet. Should I be planning to be removing engine again and again while working on things between engine mount and firewall or can I plan on one time permanent mount?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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With that stuff mounted you should be fine with a final mount of the engine. Do you have the control cables? Make sure you have the holes enlarged and then you should be good to route them with the engine on. All of those parts listed are the parts that can be installed after the engine is on, but are much easier installed before the engine.
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[quote]As many have mentioned, I purchased these parts that are indicated on FF1-3 that would be easier to install before the engine mount.
I wanted to get the engine mounted so that I could start working on the cowl. Since I'm on the incur no debt plan, I didn't have the cash for the FWF kit. So to more effectively manage my budget, I just ordered these parts in advance. I'll order the rest of the FWF kit a few months down the road.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:21 am Post subject: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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I mounted mine only once too. It wasn't a big deal. As long as the
oil filter isn't sticking out the back you can work on those cable
holes and such. Anything you can do on the firewall before
the engine will be easier, but if you just follow plans order
you'll get by fine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 12/3/2010 1:46 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
| Quote: | I mounted mine only once. If you have a pretty standard setup, mount
stuff and put the firewall penetrations where Van's tells you to, and do
the things Van's tells you to do before mounting the engine, it works
out fine. I did add a couple extra holes later on the upper part of the
firewall, but there's plenty of room to work up there, even with the
engine on.
I'd recommend getting the FWF kit now, or at least the few items you
need to install before mounting the engine.
-Rob
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com
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If you don't have the fwf kit yet you'll want to pull it off again.
Lots of stuff gets mounted on the fw that is easier w/o the engine on.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org <mailto:jesse(at)itecusa.org>
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: Re: fwf/engine hanging procedures |
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I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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alt air door for air box
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If you are installing a parking brake you will need to buy an extra.
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Hey Dave,
We used that one for the bypass door on the air filter.
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Alternate air flap for air intake assembly?
Bill
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I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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alternate air
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:44 AM, rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net (davidbf(at)centurytel.net)> wrote:
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I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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RV6 flying
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If you have an Airflow Performance Throttle body (FM200 / FM300) you will also need one for the Purge valve.
I chose Red for the heat and black for the Purge & Parking Brake.
Robin
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I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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ok thanks, I assume FAB kit comes with alternate air hardware?
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FWIW, my FAB kit came with a black cable, too, so I ended up with an extra.
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I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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RV6 flying
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You have two cable for cabin heat.
One cable for the emergency FAB bypass door on the bottom of the airfilter box.
One cable for the Carberator heat which cuts off the air from the cowl scoop intake and allows hot air into the filter box via the cowl air inside the engine compartment.
I needed to purchase one more cable for the oil cooler butterfly valve.
The subpanel looks pretty goofy with five black handles sticking out of it along with the Mixture, prop and throttle.
Maybe someone will put the control for these on their control stick switches(just kidding!)
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FWIW, my FAB kit came with a black cable, too, so I ended up with an extra.
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:44 AM, rvdave <davidbf(at)centurytel.net (davidbf(at)centurytel.net)> wrote:
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I've been going over the fwf list that Bob L. had in the archives, it showed 3 black cables, 2 for heat, what is the other one for?
3.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
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