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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

I just wanted to post a quick description of my experience installing a NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver coupled to a Dynon SkyView system.

First, I have done one previous installation of a NavWorx ADS-B receiver (not the transceiver) coupled to an AFS screen. This was, I think, almost a year ago, and it took a lot of doing to get it working, but I think it was a matter of AFS and NavWorx not fully understanding how the other had their system setup, so it took some talking to both of them to get things working in the air, although turning it on in demo mode on the ground did show target(s) on the AFS display. I don't remember what the final settings needed to be for the AFS.

Bill at NavWorx is fairly good to deal with. I don't fully understand the difference between 1090 and UAT (those may not even be the two systems, or they may be the same). I think Bill said that the UAT system that the NavWorx system works on is better than 1090. Anyway, there didn't seem to be any other options that were reasonably prices, so NavWorx it is.

At the present time, Dynon doesn't support the ARINC output that you can get from the NavWorx box, so it is limited to TIS format traffic (8 targets, 7 nm distance, 3500' above, 3000 below) and no weather at this time. Dynon supports the Mode-S traffic from a GTX-330 Transponder, so I asked Bill to just preprogram the unit to output the 330 traffic format and I set the Dynon to output serial encoder data for the ADS-B and to import serial TIS data from a 330. It worked perfectly from the start. I installed the ADS-B box back next to the battery on the side of the tailcone with the GPS antenna on the roof and the UAT antenna on the floor. The NavWorx transceiver came with 2 11' cables of RG-400 with TNC connectors on one end. I just trimmed them to length and crimped a BNC connector on the other end for the antennas. I then crimped the power, ground, encoder input, tis output, 3-pin programming connector and 2 ARINC wires for future use and ran them to the panel where the 2 serial cables hooked into the Dynon.

On first tryout on the ground I put the NavWorx box into demo mode and I immediately saw one target on the Dynon map view, slowly circling my position on the map. Then, as it approached the front of the plane on the map screen, the target showed up as a grey diamond on the synthetic vision display. I didn't remember reading that it would show there. That was very impressive. It didn't show any range or altitude info on the SV screen, but it did show the relative altitude on the map display. When in normal TIS mode on the ground, the Dynon screen shows that it is getting a signal from the traffic system, but that there are no targets ("NONE" on the screen). Once I took off to test it in flight, it almost immediately showed the local traffic on the map screen and, when in front of me, on the SV screen as well. When I was flying the patter, however, and I was in fairly close proximity to a Cessna flying very slowly in front of me, it showed a yellow circle with the number "1" in it, right on the horizon line. It also displayed a yellow "Traffic" alert on both the SV and map displays. I don't know the criteria it uses, but that is a really handy feature, IMHO. They may all do that now, but I am very impressed with that feature.

I am in an area that is on the edge of the Orlando Mode-S coverage area. At pattern altitude and usually down to a couple of hundred feet, I get traffic when flying with a GTX-330 transponder. With the ADS-B I get traffic from below 100' and well beyond the Mode-S coverage area when flying. I don't know what the current ADS-B coverage is, but I think it covers most of the east coast, including all (or almost all) of Florida. I think the Miami stations require you to be broadcasting ADS-B to be able to receive it, but with the $2,500 transceiver from NavWorx, you get both.

In summary, it was a breeze getting the NavWorx and Dynon boxes talking to eachother.

On another Dynon note, the SkyView was a fairly simple upgrade from the D-180 system and so far everything worked right from the start except Fuel Pressure, for some reason. The calibration of the AHRS was super simple, easier than previously on the D- systems. I just taxied around and when the gps track showed 180, the Dynon in calib mode showed South and then I just stopped, told it go save the data, which took about 10 seconds, then I kept taxiing for the other 3 directions. Very simple to do, in very Dynon style.

The AOA pitot from Dynon, which I never could get calibrated well on the D-180, calibrated quite easily in flight with the SkyView and seems to work quite well. It displays right next to and below the airspeed number, which seems to be a good place to have it. For those recently talking about the stall warning and AOA in the -10, I personally only glance at the airspeed a couple of times while on final, mainly for verifying the flap speeds, and then just feel the proximity to a stall. It usually touches down in the mid 50's, so approaching even in the mid to high 60's is fairly comfortable, although I usually approach in the 70's and am over the fence around 65 (all or these in knots).

Jesse Saint
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Thanks for the report Jesse.� Embry Riddle there in FL is supposed to have had ADS-B for a long time, and I imagine the rest of the state probably has it by now. This makes considering the Skyview much stronger vs GRT and AFS.

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I just wanted to post a quick description of my experience installing a NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver coupled to a Dynon SkyView system.


I am in an area that is on the edge of the Orlando Mode-S coverage area. �At pattern altitude and usually down to a couple of hundred feet, I get traffic when flying with a GTX-330 transponder. �With the ADS-B I get traffic from below 100' and well beyond the Mode-S coverage area when flying. �I don't know what the current ADS-B coverage is, but I think it covers most of the east coast, including all (or almost all) of Florida. �I think the Miami stations require you to be broadcasting ADS-B to be able to receive it, but with the $2,500 transceiver from NavWorx, you get both.

In summary, it was a breeze getting the NavWorx and Dynon boxes talking to eachother.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:24 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Jesse,

Good report. One note too regarding coverage....as you begin
to see other people with UAT's, you'll be able to see them on
your system even if neither of you are in range of a ground
station. Since they can speak air-to-air to eachother, you may
find sometimes you'll pick up traffic when you're otherwise
not in a position to receive it.

Neat stuff...I've been loving it.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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On 11/27/2010 8:17 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
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Saint<jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

I just wanted to post a quick description of my experience installing
a NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver coupled to a Dynon SkyView system.

First, I have done one previous installation of a NavWorx ADS-B
receiver (not the transceiver) coupled to an AFS screen. This was, I
think, almost a year ago, and it took a lot of doing to get it
working, but I think it was a matter of AFS and NavWorx not fully
understanding how the other had their system setup, so it took some
talking to both of them to get things working in the air, although
turning it on in demo mode on the ground did show target(s) on the
AFS display. I don't remember what the final settings needed to be
for the AFS.

Bill at NavWorx is fairly good to deal with. I don't fully
understand the difference between 1090 and UAT (those may not even be
the two systems, or they may be the same). I think Bill said that
the UAT system that the NavWorx system works on is better than 1090.
Anyway, there didn't seem to be any other options that were
reasonably prices, so NavWorx it is.

At the present time, Dynon doesn't support the ARINC output that you
can get from the NavWorx box, so it is limited to TIS format traffic
(8 targets, 7 nm distance, 3500' above, 3000 below) and no weather at
this time. Dynon supports the Mode-S traffic from a GTX-330
Transponder, so I asked Bill to just preprogram the unit to output
the 330 traffic format and I set the Dynon to output serial encoder
data for the ADS-B and to import serial TIS data from a 330. It
worked perfectly from the start. I installed the ADS-B box back next
to the battery on the side of the tailcone with the GPS antenna on
the roof and the UAT antenna on the floor. The NavWorx transceiver
came with 2 11' cables of RG-400 with TNC connectors on one end. I
just trimmed them to length and crimped a BNC connector on the other
end for the antennas. I then crimped the power, ground, encoder
input, tis output, 3-pin programming connector and 2 ARINC wires for
future use and ran them to the panel where t! he 2 serial cables
hooked into the Dynon.

On first tryout on the ground I put the NavWorx box into demo mode
and I immediately saw one target on the Dynon map view, slowly
circling my position on the map. Then, as it approached the front of
the plane on the map screen, the target showed up as a grey diamond
on the synthetic vision display. I didn't remember reading that it
would show there. That was very impressive. It didn't show any
range or altitude info on the SV screen, but it did show the relative
altitude on the map display. When in normal TIS mode on the ground,
the Dynon screen shows that it is getting a signal from the traffic
system, but that there are no targets ("NONE" on the screen). Once I
took off to test it in flight, it almost immediately showed the local
traffic on the map screen and, when in front of me, on the SV screen
as well. When I was flying the patter, however, and I was in fairly
close proximity to a Cessna flying very slowly in front of me, it
showed a yellow circle with the numbe! r "1" in it, right on the
horizon line. It also displayed a yellow "Traffic" alert on both the
SV and map displays. I don't know the criteria it uses, but that is
a really handy feature, IMHO. They may all do that now, but I am
very impressed with that feature.

I am in an area that is on the edge of the Orlando Mode-S coverage
area. At pattern altitude and usually down to a couple of hundred
feet, I get traffic when flying with a GTX-330 transponder. With the
ADS-B I get traffic from below 100' and well beyond the Mode-S
coverage area when flying. I don't know what the current ADS-B
coverage is, but I think it covers most of the east coast, including
all (or almost all) of Florida. I think the Miami stations require
you to be broadcasting ADS-B to be able to receive it, but with the
$2,500 transceiver from NavWorx, you get both.

In summary, it was a breeze getting the NavWorx and Dynon boxes
talking to eachother.

On another Dynon note, the SkyView was a fairly simple upgrade from
the D-180 system and so far everything worked right from the start
except Fuel Pressure, for some reason. The calibration of the AHRS
was super simple, easier than previously on the D- systems. I just
taxied around and when the gps track showed 180, the Dynon in calib
mode showed South and then I just stopped, told it go save the data,
which took about 10 seconds, then I kept taxiing for the other 3
directions. Very simple to do, in very Dynon style.

The AOA pitot from Dynon, which I never could get calibrated well on
the D-180, calibrated quite easily in flight with the SkyView and
seems to work quite well. It displays right next to and below the
airspeed number, which seems to be a good place to have it. For
those recently talking about the stall warning and AOA in the -10, I
personally only glance at the airspeed a couple of times while on
final, mainly for verifying the flap speeds, and then just feel the
proximity to a stall. It usually touches down in the mid 50's, so
approaching even in the mid to high 60's is fairly comfortable,
although I usually approach in the 70's and am over the fence around
65 (all or these in knots).

Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse(at)saintaviation.com C:
352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

I just helped a friend connect a NavWorx Box to a pair of AFS 3500 units.
It works fine, using the TIS same protocol which is built into the AFS. The problem with this is that it severely limits the number of targets to 8 and distance to only 7 miles.

However, recently AFS started supporting the native ADSB format of the NavWorx box, which includes weather(ADSB) and traffic out to a couple hundred miles. The only issue is that it only works on the AFS units with an "s" processor.
Older units only support the TIS protocol for traffic and no ADSB weather.

Lenny

[quote="Kelly McMullen"]Thanks for the report Jesse.� Embry Riddle there in FL is supposed to have had ADS-B for a long time, and I imagine the rest of the state probably has it by now. This makes considering the Skyview much stronger vs GRT and AFS.

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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse>

I just wanted to post a quick description of my experience installing a NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver coupled to a Dynon SkyView system.


I am in an area that is on the edge of the Orlando Mode-S coverage area. �At pattern altitude and usually down to a couple of hundred feet, I get traffic when flying with a GTX-330 transponder. �With the ADS-B I get traffic from below 100' and well beyond the Mode-S coverage area when flying. �I don't know what the current ADS-B coverage is, but I think it covers most of the east coast, including all (or almost all) of Florida. �I think the Miami stations require you to be broadcasting ADS-B to be able to receive it, but with the $2,500 transceiver from NavWorx, you get both.

In summary, it was a breeze getting the NavWorx and Dynon boxes talking to eachother.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:26 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

I would assume that those units could be upgraded to current processor with liberal application of $$$$. Otherwise it would seem a waste to not be able to get the weather.

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Lenny Iszak <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com (lenard(at)rapiddecision.com)> wrote:
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I just helped a friend connect a NavWorx Box to a pair of AFS 3500 units.
� The only issue is that it only works on the AFS units with an "s" processor.
Older units only support the TIS protocol for traffic and no ADSB weather.

Lenny



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:31 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Freeflight systems will be selling a UAT transceiver in 2Q11 for slightly more money. This is the experimental version of their TSOed unit. Street price is rumored to be about $3100. It is the RANGR E series.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Yeah, they can be upgraded. Not having weather is not that big of a deal. AFS displays XM weather even with the older processor.

Lenny
[quote="Kelly McMullen"]I would assume that those units could be upgraded to current processor with liberal application of $$$$. Otherwise it would seem a waste to not be able to get the weather.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

(at) $55/mo XM weather consumes a lot of avgas budget. Debate begins as to
how long XM will find it worthwhile to offer the service. The other
question will be how much longer the FAA will require Mode C transponder
if you have UAT. Obviously a non-issue with mode S, but Mode S with
ADS-B In will be significantly more money than UAT In and Out. Only
advantage to Mode S is ability to go above 18,000 legally.
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Yeah, they can be upgraded. Not having weather is not that big of a deal. AFS displays XM weather even with the older processor.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Isn�t part of the issue that the ADS-B WX is free and the XM WX is between $30-$50/month? The $30/month does not provide some basics like Winds Aloft.
I get confused because NavWorx lists the displays it works with which do not include the G3X but does include the Garmin 696. However the 696 says TIS-A only. I will be getting TIS from my G330 right?
UGH�

Robin

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Yeah, they can be upgraded. Not having weather is not that big of a deal. AFS displays XM weather even with the older processor.

Lenny
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:49 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

As I understand it UAT receives the full package of TIS and FIS (traffic and weather) on something like 780mHz. 1090ES is an extended version of Mode S that only receives TISA from ATC facilities that broadcast TIS, and maybe from other aircraft like airliners that already use 1090. The 1090 band supports both Mode C transponders and Mode S and therefore is bandwidth limited and can't handle the extra weather data. The airlines lobbied for and got a restriction requiring 1090 for flight at and above FL180. So there is no one solution that does all ADS-B that is allowed in all airspace.

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I just wanted to post a quick description of my experience installing a NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver coupled to a Dynon SkyView system.


Bill at NavWorx is fairly good to deal with. �I don't fully understand the difference between 1090 and UAT (those may not even be the two systems, or they may be the same). �I think Bill said that the UAT system that the NavWorx system works on is better than 1090. �Anyway, there didn't seem to be any other options that were reasonably prices, so NavWorx it is.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

A couple of points:
The UAT frequency is 978mhz.
If you DO decide to go 1090ES, it requires a capable transponder.....today that would mean you probably don't want to buy a gtx327 because it's the gtx330 you would be able to upgrade...at a price of about $1200 I think. This would give you OUT but not IN, so you still would only get Mode S traffic in limited coverage areas. Also no WX.
While sometimes people make 1090ES sound like a better choice citing the high altitude requirement for 1090ES, I personally have found that ops over 18,000' in the RV10 aren't a very practical thing....likely you'll never bother to go that high...ever. Yes, people have, like Jesse, and cruising at 17k works well for him, but that isn't >18k'. �You will find the RV10 so performance limited above 18 that you won't go there....or if you did, you'd probably want to be solo or 2 people-no-baggage. So the altitude limitations on UAT use fit nicely with the RV10's useful profile.
The WX is provided by the same source as WSI. XM and WSI both offer packages with more services than FIS-B with better continental coverage than FIS-B will ever offer. So, FIS-B is great for those who don't care or use it enough or want to spend the money on a premium satellite service that gives much better in-flight performance. Normally I would think that since WSI's service provides the FIS-B weather for the ADS-B program, that WSI would be the more "stable" company, but XM has such a huge market share that both seem to be able to stick around just fine. I doubt XM is going anywhere.
One more thing... If you go 1090, best to wait or go with a non-garmin transponder that offers in/out with the transponder. The upgraded 330 with 1090ES only does out. So, no traffic services for you. With the UAT you get basically all transponder equipped traffic if you're in ground coverage. If not, you still get air-to-air coverage even if not in ground station coverage. Make sure to go with the transformer not receiver only, if you want it to work great for you with the way the system is being run today.
So really, the UAT type ADS-B is a near perfect fit for the RV-10. 1090ES offers us much less. Even TCAS offers less as a whole. (it's better traffic coverage without any weather capabilities.) The near ideal for us is like Sean is planning...a TCAS+ADS-B mixed type system...but you have to pony up for it.
Tim
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As I understand it UAT receives the full package of TIS and FIS (traffic and weather) on something like 780mHz. 1090ES is an extended version of Mode S that only receives TISA from ATC facilities that broadcast TIS, and maybe from other aircraft like airliners that already use 1090. The 1090 band supports both Mode C transponders and Mode S and therefore is bandwidth limited and can't handle the extra weather data. The airlines lobbied for and got a restriction requiring 1090 for flight at and above FL180. So there is no one solution that does all ADS-B that is allowed in all airspace.

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I just wanted to post a quick description of my experience installing a NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver coupled to a Dynon SkyView system.


Bill at NavWorx is fairly good to deal with. I don't fully understand the difference between 1090 and UAT (those may not even be the two systems, or they may be the same). I think Bill said that the UAT system that the NavWorx system works on is better than 1090. Anyway, there didn't seem to be any other options that were reasonably prices, so NavWorx it is.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:43 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

I think the G3X is too new for it to be tested and known. Likely it'll do traffic just like the 696. The WX would be much harder, since to do that, they'd have to emulate XM as a split separate feed....not sure if they'll go down that path. For systems that support a combined ADS-B interface where you get both on the same feed, maybe someday they'll integrate...but if you go Garmin on EFIS/panel as a base, you're likely to be stuck at least for a long while, with Garmin only for accessories of this type. The gorilla doesn't play well with all the other monkey species.
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Isn’t part of the issue that the ADS-B WX is free and the XM WX is between $30-$50/month? The $30/month does not provide some basics like Winds Aloft.
I get confused because NavWorx lists the displays it works with which do not include the G3X but does include the Garmin 696. However the 696 says TIS-A only. I will be getting TIS from my G330 right?
UGH…

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Yeah, they can be upgraded. Not having weather is not that big of a deal. AFS displays XM weather even with the older processor.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:53 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Thanks for the frequency correction Tim. Memory isn't what it used to
be. Sad
Note that a GNX330 is something like $3300 to start with, and the
upgrade is on top of that, you you would be out almost $2K more than the
NavWorx UAT transceiver. If you want really big bucks there is the
Garmin UAT, the GDL 90, which AFAIK there have been no announcements
whether it will be upgradeable to comply with the final rule. If you
were to buy a 1090ES of any brand, you would still need a UAT receiver
to get weather, as 1090 doesn't have the bandwidth available to carry it
ontop of existing transponder traffic. Or stick with XM weather and keep
paying the fee.
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A couple of points:
The UAT frequency is 978mhz.
If you DO decide to go 1090ES, it requires a capable
transponder.....today that would mean you probably don't want to buy a
gtx327 because it's the gtx330 you would be able to upgrade...at a
price of about $1200 I think. This would give you OUT but not IN, so
you still would only get Mode S traffic in limited coverage areas.
Also no WX.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:24 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:07 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

My gts800 has the in portion and the gtx330 (es) is the out. If I recall the gtx330 was around 4200$

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Thanks for the frequency correction Tim. Memory isn't what it used to be. Sad
Note that a GNX330 is something like $3300 to start with, and the upgrade is on top of that, you you would be out almost $2K more than the NavWorx UAT transceiver. If you want really big bucks there is the Garmin UAT, the GDL 90, which AFAIK there have been no announcements whether it will be upgradeable to comply with the final rule. If you were to buy a 1090ES of any brand, you would still need a UAT receiver to get weather, as 1090 doesn't have the bandwidth available to carry it ontop of existing transponder traffic. Or stick with XM weather and keep paying the fee.


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> The UAT frequency is 978mhz.
> If you DO decide to go 1090ES, it requires a capable transponder.....today that would mean you probably don't want to buy a gtx327 because it's the gtx330 you would be able to upgrade...at a price of about $1200 I think. This would give you OUT but not IN, so you still would only get Mode S traffic in limited coverage areas. Also no WX.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

That looks very attractive, and the experimental version is very competitively priced at $2495.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Wouldn't you want the GPS equipped version though, for $3495?
I don't know the capabilities of that unit, but I do know that
for most systems you'll either need to have one with internal
GPS or you'll need to send it GPS from a panel-mount
GNS430W/480/530W. Again, I don't have the details, but I'd
think if you had the right panel hardware, you could go with
the $2495 version, but the $3495 would probably work stand-alone.
I know very little about their product to date. The NavWorx
ADS600B though has an internal GPS, priced in the neighborhood
of the one without GPS from Freeflight.
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That looks very attractive, and the experimental version is very
competitively priced at $2495.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:55 pm    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

I'd rather do a little extra wiring to connect it to a 430/530/480.� I expect to have a VFR backup with EFIS, and 2 GPS antennas are enough. But then again, might be easier to do the tail cone install with GPS ant on top and transponder on bottom.

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Wouldn't you want the GPS equipped version though, for $3495?
I don't know the capabilities of that unit, but I do know that
for most systems you'll either need to have one with internal
GPS or you'll need to send it GPS from a panel-mount
GNS430W/480/530W. �Again, I don't have the details, but I'd
think if you had the right panel hardware, you could go with
the $2495 version, but the $3495 would probably work stand-alone.
I know very little about their product to date. �The NavWorx
ADS600B though has an internal GPS, priced in the neighborhood
of the one without GPS from Freeflight.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

Tim, are you able to get weather on your NavWorx box now? Most areas with ADS-B or just a few?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: NavWorx ADS-B on Dynon SkyView Reply with quote

With the Chelton, yes, you can get WX on it....WX and Traffic
both, if you hook it up in ADS-B mode. I myself have it hooked
up as TCAS, so I don't use WX, since I have WSI.
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Tim, are you able to get weather on your NavWorx box now? Most areas
with ADS-B or just a few?

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I think the G3X is too new for it to be tested and known. Likely
it'll do traffic just like the 696. The WX would be much harder,
since to do that, they'd have to emulate XM as a split separate
feed....not sure if they'll go down that path. For systems that
support a combined ADS-B interface where you get both on the same
feed, maybe someday they'll integrate...but if you go Garmin on
EFIS/panel as a base, you're likely to be stuck at least for a long
while, with Garmin only for accessories of this type. The gorilla
doesn't play well with all the other monkey species.
Tim

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