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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: South African Commanders

Folks,



Carl Dollenberg responded to some of my posts on a website somewhere about

Commanders in South Africa. The latest post to our Facebook page

(http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884) contains

pictures that I took a while ago and Carl was kind enough to fill in the

blanks. The other 690 was KZY whose pictures I will post as soon as I

stumble upon them. 



Sir Barry, perhaps you knew of the fate of a Commander (JRF) on its way to

the U.S. Carl's abbreviated account is below. I invited Carl to join our

chat list should he be so inclined. 



Thanks



Nico



Hi Nico,

That is one of  ESCOM's 1000's. They have KZY and KZZ.  ZS-KZX was sold to

the US a few years back.  The SA Weather Service have ZS-JRA (11284) and

ZS-JRB (11248) that are used for weather modification. ZS-JRH (Ex ESCOM

Kimberly) is now being used as a geographical survey aircraft. 



ZS-JRC is standing almost derelict at Grand Central as V5-MGF.



ZS-JRD was exported to the US in the 80's



ZS-JRF went missing en-route to the US somewhere between Windhoek and Gabon,

There is still no word as to what happened to the aircraft.  It is presumed

that they were either shot down over Angola or ditched of the Angolan Coast.

Tony Geddy(sp) and Slim Bird were the crew involved



ZS-JRZ Exported to the US in the 80's

I will speak to my father who knew all the commanders in SA and find out

their fate.



 

 



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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:55 am Post subject: South African Commanders

Hi Nico,



I did indeed know about the fate of ZS-JRF, but the full details are still a

mystery.



The Registration ZS-JRF was cancelled on 02Nov84, as exported to the USA.

On the same day, US marks N690RC were assigned to this Commander, for Skytel

Aviation Inc., of Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

A Special Flight Permit was then issued on 20Nov84 for ferry from Harare,

Zimbabwe to Oklahoma City.



The Commander was evidently destroyed, probably on 05Dec84 and is believed

to have crashed into the Atlantic Ocean somewhere between Windhoek, Namibia

and Abidjan, Ivory Coast.

The question is, was it marked as ZS-JRF, or N690RC?



Strangely, it seems to have been Registered again as ZS-JRF on 11Jul88, then

cancelled again on 16Aug93, while N690RC was cancelled on 31May95.



Do you have an email address for Carl Dollenberg and I'll contact him to see

if we can get this one "sorted"!



Best Regards,

Barry



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:25 am Post subject: South African Commanders

Hi Barry, 



Certainly, here is Carl's email address. carl690(at)absamail.co.za 



He alluded to the fact that his father might be more informed about South

African Commanders, so I'd like to encourage him to take that up with his

dad and perhaps give us more information and even perhaps pictures. Carl

sounded very informed about the Commanders I encountered and the '690' in

his email address is very promising.



Thanks



Nico

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: South African Commanders

Hi Nico,



Carl is indeed very knowledgeable about the South African Register.

He has a website covering their Registrations, at:

www.avdex.co.za/saregister/

but one needs to Register before accessing data.



Best Regards,

Barry



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