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 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: Tools and cheap knock offs. |
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As for Chinese tools and harbor freight?
I reached another small point of frustration last week while trying to finish some odds and ends.
I ordered some craftsman tools via their catalogue, waited the few weeks which it took for them to arrive(Why a few weeks?) and went to use my new set of dies on the tie rods which go below the cylinder heads which hold the baffles. Within thirty seconds of trying to start the threads with the 6-32 die, it sheared the face off one of the fingers. It was no use it will not bite the rod. On the face of every dies is stamped, "China"
Of course there is not the normal Craftsman warranty on tap and dies so I went to the Sears store and you can't but them individually. It will cost another $80.00 to replace the one die I need by getting another set.
Another set at "DO It Center" was $25.00, I bought it as a gamble, that i could get a 6-32 die that might work. The box claimed High Speed Steel.
It didn't work either!
Now I am waiting on two dies I purchased separately from McMaster Carr, one of High Speed steel and the other of carbon steel. One of the dies was $29.00 alone.
If I open these up and they have the writing "China" I fear I am done for.
Basically, where can someone buy quality tools that are really quality and not just claimed quality? Our country seems to have outsourced everything in the name of profit and bottom line. I imagine a day when it will be impossible to get a tool or a part of high quality, it just won't be available. If only grandpa had tools.
When Vans has the entire kit produced in China, will the price go down, up, stay the same, how about the quality? Would people still buy them?
Confession, I own a Harbor Freight engine hoist and it worked fine for the three times I have used it and I do know how to use a die.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: Tools and cheap knock offs. |
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On 12/21/2010 3:24 PM, John Gonzalez wrote: | Quote: |
Basically, where can someone buy quality tools that are really quality and not just claimed quality?
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I understand "Snap-On" is supposed to be excellent quality, but their prices are outside of my budget range so I can't personally vouch for them... 
Typically the HF stuff I've purchased has worked okay. Some of it is not great, but I'd say at least 90-95 percent of what I've purchased from them has worked out just fine, and so far has lasted the 6 years or so I've been working on my project. A few items are definitely "consumables", though, such as the hand rivet puller which typically only lasts a few months, however at $3 each or something like that I just bought a few of them. I bought 3 of the $3 multimeters thinking they wouldn't last long, but I'm still using the first one I opened.
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tomhanaway
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: Tools and cheap knock offs. |
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John,
Certain tools I knew that I wanted high quality. Especially, close tolerance tools like taps/dies, torque wrenches, etc. I’ve been able to find NEW snap-on tools ( full metric/std. tap and die set, electronic torque wrench) on ebay at relatively reasonable prices.
I have a snap-on screwdriver that I bought over 25 years ago. Still gives me pleasure every time I use it.
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I still go to harbor freight for lifts, basic air tools, etc.
Tom Hanaway
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:25 PM
To: RV 10 group
Subject: Tools and cheap knock offs.
As for Chinese tools and harbor freight?
I reached another small point of frustration last week while trying to finish some odds and ends.
I ordered some craftsman tools via their catalogue, waited the few weeks which it took for them to arrive(Why a few weeks?) and went to use my new set of dies on the tie rods which go below the cylinder heads which hold the baffles. Within thirty seconds of trying to start the threads with the 6-32 die, it sheared the face off one of the fingers. It was no use it will not bite the rod. On the face of every dies is stamped, "China"
Of course there is not the normal Craftsman warranty on tap and dies so I went to the Sears store and you can't but them individually. It will cost another $80.00 to replace the one die I need by getting another set.
Another set at "DO It Center" was $25.00, I bought it as a gamble, that i could get a 6-32 die that might work. The box claimed High Speed Steel.
It didn't work either!
Now I am waiting on two dies I purchased separately from McMaster Carr, one of High Speed steel and the other of carbon steel. One of the dies was $29.00 alone.
If I open these up and they have the writing "China" I fear I am done for.
Basically, where can someone buy quality tools that are really quality and not just claimed quality? Our country seems to have outsourced everything in the name of profit and bottom line. I imagine a day when it will be impossible to get a tool or a part of high quality, it just won't be available. If only grandpa had tools.
When Vans has the entire kit produced in China, will the price go down, up, stay the same, how about the quality? Would people still buy them?
Confession, I own a Harbor Freight engine hoist and it worked fine for the three times I have used it and I do know how to use a die.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: Tools and cheap knock offs. |
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On any drilling/cutting bits and taps and dies, I have only been buying individuals. The affordable kits are all junk. Then I also only buy name brand USA made bits. Chinese can make tools but the cutting tools I think they just don't do good with.
Tim
On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:24 PM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com> wrote:
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