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Ok here goes a few dumb questions,
1. With aileron trim kit installed in left wing, then does the AP
server mount to the Rt wing. Trying to plan out how big a conduit to
install on rt wing. IE number of wire harnesses.
2. For the real dumb question. When riveting the ribs to the wing
spar I see builders place the shop head on the ribs side and some on the
Spar side. Being an OLD A&P I do not recall in AP school there ever was a
requirement how rivets were bucked direction wise for 470 type of rivets,
my thought has always been the thin material side gets the manufacture head
thus the shop head is on the spar side.
Thanks in advance for everyone input. Now no primer wars on this hehehe I
already stirred that war once.
John
40864 Emp Complete Wings 1 rib primered, ready to start setting revits.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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The aileron trim and autopilot roll servo locations are totally independent of each other. Trutrak's default is to send you a right wing bracket but they'll send left if you ask. It mounts at the bellcrank in the outboard inspection panel location. Harness for the TT roll servo is 7 wires (2 of #20 and 5 of #22). Stein has servo wire already set up for them. The aileron trim (Van's) is a servo like that used for elevator trim and mounts to the inboard inspection panel and is connected to the push/pull tube with springs. Wiring is just like the elevator trim servo - 5 wires (2 for the motor and 3 for the position sensor).
Bob
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Ok here goes a few dumb questions,
1. With aileron trim kit installed in left wing, then does the AP
server mount to the Rt wing. Trying to plan out how big a conduit to
install on rt wing. IE number of wire harnesses.
2. For the real dumb question. When riveting the ribs to the wing
spar I see builders place the shop head on the ribs side and some on the
Spar side. Being an OLD A&P I do not recall in AP school there ever was a
requirement how rivets were bucked direction wise for 470 type of rivets,
my thought has always been the thin material side gets the manufacture head
thus the shop head is on the spar side.
Thanks in advance for everyone input. Now no primer wars on this hehehe I
already stirred that war once.
John
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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Bob
Thanks for the reply
That’s what I have heard. I just wanted to make sure before I drill holes for the wire conduit and try and size it accordingly. Probably ľ to 1” will be about right.
What are most people using for the main wire conduits down the wings.
John
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Subject: Re: Alieron trim and Roll server locations.
The aileron trim and autopilot roll servo locations are totally independent of each other. Trutrak's default is to send you a right wing bracket but they'll send left if you ask. It mounts at the bellcrank in the outboard inspection panel location. Harness for the TT roll servo is 7 wires (2 of #20 and 5 of #22). Stein has servo wire already set up for them. The aileron trim (Van's) is a servo like that used for elevator trim and mounts to the inboard inspection panel and is connected to the push/pull tube with springs. Wiring is just like the elevator trim servo - 5 wires (2 for the motor and 3 for the position sensor).
Bob
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:24 PM, John Cumins <jcumins(at)jcis.net (jcumins(at)jcis.net)> wrote:
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Ok here goes a few dumb questions,
1. With aileron trim kit installed in left wing, then does the AP
server mount to the Rt wing. Trying to plan out how big a conduit to
install on rt wing. IE number of wire harnesses.
2. For the real dumb question. When riveting the ribs to the wing
spar I see builders place the shop head on the ribs side and some on the
Spar side. Being an OLD A&P I do not recall in AP school there ever was a
requirement how rivets were bucked direction wise for 470 type of rivets,
my thought has always been the thin material side gets the manufacture head
thus the shop head is on the spar side.
Thanks in advance for everyone input. Now no primer wars on this hehehe I
already stirred that war once.
John
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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I went with Van's corrugated conduit which uses a 3/4" hole.
As for rivets, unless a direction is specified in the plans, I try and put the manufactured head on the thinner material, but will sometimes swap ends if doing so makes it easier to rivet.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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if you mean the actual conduit, I used 5/8th 2X (HD/Lowes in the plumbing dept, irrigation tube) plenty of space for the nav,,landing lights, pitot, AP, trim, etc...
I have one just for the strobes, probably not needed but makes me feel better having it separate from all the other wires.
From: John Cumins (jcumins(at)jcis.net)
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Subject: RE: Alieron trim and Roll server locations.
Bob
Thanks for the reply
That’s what I have heard. I just wanted to make sure before I drill holes for the wire conduit and try and size it accordingly. Probably ¾ to 1” will be about right.
What are most people using for the main wire conduits down the wings.
John
40864 Emp Complete Wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Condrey
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:37 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Alieron trim and Roll server locations.
The aileron trim and autopilot roll servo locations are totally independent of each other. Trutrak's default is to send you a right wing bracket but they'll send left if you ask. It mounts at the bellcrank in the outboard inspection panel location. Harness for the TT roll servo is 7 wires (2 of #20 and 5 of #22). Stein has servo wire already set up for them. The aileron trim (Van's) is a servo like that used for elevator trim and mounts to the inboard inspection panel and is connected to the push/pull tube with springs. Wiring is just like the elevator trim servo - 5 wires (2 for the motor and 3 for the position sensor).
Bob
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:24 PM, John Cumins <jcumins(at)jcis.net (jcumins(at)jcis.net)> wrote:
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Ok here goes a few dumb questions,
1. With aileron trim kit installed in left wing, then does the AP
server mount to the Rt wing. Trying to plan out how big a conduit to
install on rt wing. IE number of wire harnesses.
2. For the real dumb question. When riveting the ribs to the wing
spar I see builders place the shop head on the ribs side and some on the
Spar side. Being an OLD A&P I do not recall in AP school there ever was a
requirement how rivets were bucked direction wise for 470 type of rivets,
my thought has always been the thin material side gets the manufacture head
thus the shop head is on the spar side.
Thanks in advance for everyone input. Now no primer wars on this hehehe I
already stirred that war once.
John
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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Pascal
I would do the same thing for the strobes but, since I am going with the Aero led nav light  and strobe system, there is no need. The wiring is all 20 gauge wire with  shielded outer, power for Nav, strobe and a sync wire to sync all 3 strobes. No high Voltage, and very low amperage draw. I think I have some corrugated split tubing 3/4" so I think I will run a length down each wing. Install the pitot bushings in each rib for the pitot tube line, and the same bushings for the aoa system lines down the right wing will make for a very clean install.
I have been looking at Pitot Tube systems and not sure I want to go with the gertz system. I very much like the auto on part of the gertz but not to sure of the quality, I have read about numerous failed Gertz pitot tubes and a few melted ones and that’s a concern.
Anyone have feedback on this???
John
40864 Emp complete, wings
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 3:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Alieron trim and Roll server locations.
if you mean the actual conduit, I used 5/8th 2X (HD/Lowes in the plumbing dept, irrigation tube) plenty of space for the nav,,landing lights, pitot, AP, trim, etc...
I have one just for the strobes, probably not needed but makes me feel better having it separate from all the other wires.
From: John Cumins (jcumins(at)jcis.net)
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:48 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Alieron trim and Roll server locations.
Bob
Thanks for the reply
That’s what I have heard. I just wanted to make sure before I drill holes for the wire conduit and try and size it accordingly. Probably ¾ to 1” will be about right.
What are most people using for the main wire conduits down the wings.
John
40864 Emp Complete Wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Condrey
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:37 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Alieron trim and Roll server locations.
The aileron trim and autopilot roll servo locations are totally independent of each other. Trutrak's default is to send you a right wing bracket but they'll send left if you ask. It mounts at the bellcrank in the outboard inspection panel location. Harness for the TT roll servo is 7 wires (2 of #20 and 5 of #22). Stein has servo wire already set up for them. The aileron trim (Van's) is a servo like that used for elevator trim and mounts to the inboard inspection panel and is connected to the push/pull tube with springs. Wiring is just like the elevator trim servo - 5 wires (2 for the motor and 3 for the position sensor).
Bob
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Ok here goes a few dumb questions,
1. With aileron trim kit installed in left wing, then does the AP
server mount to the Rt wing. Trying to plan out how big a conduit to
install on rt wing. IE number of wire harnesses.
2. For the real dumb question. When riveting the ribs to the wing
spar I see builders place the shop head on the ribs side and some on the
Spar side. Being an OLD A&P I do not recall in AP school there ever was a
requirement how rivets were bucked direction wise for 470 type of rivets,
my thought has always been the thin material side gets the manufacture head
thus the shop head is on the spar side.
Thanks in advance for everyone input. Now no primer wars on this hehehe I
already stirred that war once.
John
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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John,
I was taught the as you state "the thin material side gets the manufacture head thus the shop head is on the spar side". Maybe others found it easier to buck on the rib side and drive on the spar side. I'll find out this weekend.
Tom
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Ok here goes a few dumb questions,
1. With aileron trim kit installed in left wing, then does the AP
server mount to the Rt wing. Trying to plan out how big a conduit to
install on rt wing. IE number of wire harnesses.
2. For the real dumb question. When riveting the ribs to the wing
spar I see builders place the shop head on the ribs side and some on the
Spar side. Being an OLD A&P I do not recall in AP school there ever was a
requirement how rivets were bucked direction wise for 470 type of rivets,
my thought has always been the thin material side gets the manufacture head
thus the shop head is on the spar side.
Thanks in advance for everyone input. Now no primer wars on this hehehe I
already stirred that war once.
John
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Tom
Thanks, I am about the same place as you primered this weekend and will star
to assemble this next weekend I hope.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Alieron trim and Roll server locations. |
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Used SB625-7 in all ribs but outboard four and used SB500-6 in those. Ran all wiring and servo(Stein) before installing bottom skins.
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John, I found Van's convoluted conduit - 3/4" - works just fine in the wings. It's a straight run so it's easy to pull wires, and you can cut a slit in it to pull out wire for something installed closer in.
I would not recommend it for the fuselage. The fuselage requires lots of bends and turns to get from the tail to the panel. The convolutions cause jamming when trying to fish additional wires through.
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No matter what kind of conduit you install, it's very easy to use a shop
vac to suck a string through the conduit. A small ball of tape or
cotton ball will help. You can use the small string to pull a larger
rope. Also, use 'monkey snot' lubricant when pulling wires. Home Depot
or Lowes has it in the electrical dept. You can easily wipe the snot
off after the wire(s) come out of the conduit.
Linn
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John, I found Van's convoluted conduit - 3/4" - works just fine in the wings. It's a straight run so it's easy to pull wires, and you can cut a slit in it to pull out wire for something installed closer in.
I would not recommend it for the fuselage. The fuselage requires lots of bends and turns to get from the tail to the panel. The convolutions cause jamming when trying to fish additional wires through.
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I found that the weed whacker string trimmer line works very well as a fish line to pull wires. Put it in first and you can pull most any wire that will fit. What you say about the fuselage is true...had to pull heavy battery line and the other tail cone power leads through one at a time to get them all in the conduit. Took some back and forth to get past the curves in system.
Black flex irrigation tubing might well work better.
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> What are most people using for the main wire conduits down the wings.
John, I found Van's convoluted conduit - 3/4" - works just fine in the wings. It's a straight run so it's easy to pull wires, and you can cut a slit in it to pull out wire for something installed closer in.
I would not recommend it for the fuselage. The fuselage requires lots of bends and turns to get from the tail to the panel. The convolutions cause jamming when trying to fish additional wires through.
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I bought a nine dollar snake from harbor freight. It makes all the turns in my corrugated conduit really easy.
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Black flex irrigation tubing might well work better.
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> What are most people using for the main wire conduits down the wings.
John, I found Van's convoluted conduit - 3/4" - works just fine in the wings. It's a straight run so it's easy to pull wires, and you can cut a slit in it to pull out wire for something installed closer in.
I would not recommend it for the fuselage. The fuselage requires lots of bends and turns to get from the tail to the panel. The convolutions cause jamming when trying to fish additional wires through.
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