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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Pat, John Brown, or any of our other British friends with Kolbs,

 

  I was looking through all my original Kolb paperwork to see if I had anything that could

help out our buddy Tibi, and came across a statement in the Kolb sales brochure bragging

how safe, wonderful etc., the MkIII is.   

 

  In this Kolb Aircraft Company letter, it brags about how the MkIII has been CERTIFIED

(note the magic word certifed!!) to the "rigorous BCAR-s standard" in the U.K.  Wow!!

  Now, I don't exactly know what that means, but it sure sounds official to me.

 

  The fact of the matter is, Tibi is probably being forced to come up with some kind 

of dumbass useless paperwork for some lard-ass desk jockey.  (oops, my anti-government

feelings just slipped out)

 

  Question for you helpful British blokes;  can one of you really nice guys dig up one of those 

"certified BCAR-s standards" for this chap?  It would probably be especially helpful if it

had the word 'KOLB MkIII' on the form, I'd bet.            How about helping this lad out??

 

Mike Welch

MkIII, but no certified paperwork, not yet, at least.

 

  

 

From: zetebete(at)t-online.hu

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: FW: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR/ Rotax 582

Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:36:53 +0100

For Mr. Pat Ladd

 

Hy Pat,

Many thank four your offer.

It would be very good, if you can send me a copy of your Kolb certificate

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR



   I was looking through all my original Kolb paperwork to see if I had 

anything that could

help out our buddy Tibi, and came across a statement in the Kolb sales 

brochure bragging

how safe, wonderful etc., the MkIII is.



  Mike Welch

MkIII, but no certified paperwork, not yet, at least.





He has a MKII, not a MKIII.



john h

MKII

Titus, Alabama

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Yeah, uh huh, a simple keystroke.

 

 > He has a MKII, not a MKIII.

[quote] 

 john h

 MKII

 Titus, Alabama 

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Kolb guys,

 

  I am aware of what type of plane he said he has.  I am also aware he

claims to have the only Kolb airplane in Hungary, from the following;

 

 

It’s my problem, my KOLB is forbided by the aviation authority.Namely, my KOLB is the one single KOLB plane in Hungary, and so the authority  does’n know this type. 

Regards 

Tibi 

  

  I was simply trying to suggest that someone might help him out if they 

sent him a copy of their "official" paperwork.  Yes, it may say MkIII, yes, it 

may say someone else's name, yes, it may have all kinds of incorrect or 

inaccurate information, but at least this guy may have something in his 

hands he can "alter, modify, re-do, adjust, manipulate", well, you get the idea. 

What he does with it is his business. 

  

  Do I feel a little conviction about sending something to a guy in Hungary 

to 'modify'?  Let's just say 'not much"!  Am I afraid of the guys in long dark-grey  

trenchcoats, from Hungary (!!), coming and knocking on my door?  Even less. 

  

  A guy from Hungary, who doesn't really know exactly what he wants, asked  

this group for something that really doesn't exist.  Like I said,  if "I" had an  

airworthiness certificate, I'd send him a copy....and then double lock my door.  

  

  Look, some guys will ignor him altogether.  Some may make lots of useless 

suggestions and he still isn't any better off.  Others, still, will send him on a  

wild goose chase trying to obtain that elusive "Certified" document (that doesn't 

exist).    I just made a suggestion for a way to help him out.  If I could, I 

would.  That's just me, others may or may not. 

  

  The guy's a pilot or pilot wannabe in Hungary.....with an orphan Kolb airplane. 

Do we help him, or do we just ignor him?   You all decide!  Besides, maybe he  

needs some new Kolb parts. 

  

Mike Welch 

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

He has a MKII, not a MKIII.>>



Hi John,

If all he is tryng to do is establish the fact that the Kolb is an 

established aircraft it probably wont make much difference.



I am willing to send him a copy of my Permit to Fly and of the form which my 

Inspector filled out last March if it will help the guy out.



Pat

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

If all he is tryng to do is establish the fact that the Kolb is an

established aircraft it probably wont make much difference.



Pat



No problem here.



Didn't know if Mike W had caught that, or if it would make any difference.



john h - 17F (no flying today)

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

> Didn't know if Mike W had caught that

  

 > john h - 17F (no flying today)



 Hi John,

  

   I appreciate you made the distinction between MkII and MkIII.  Thank you.

  

   I guess my thoughts all along was this poor guy has a bureaucratic 

 government that can't function unless they have the proper "documents".

 The decision of whether or not he can fly rests upon some twit who can't

 function without "das papers".

  

   From the beginning, I made the assumption Tibi was going to have to

 "edit" whatever he got his hands on.  Of course, anything anyone else 

 provides him is going to have other people's personal information, names, etc.

 Even the fact that the forms may say MkIII isn't all that important, either, because

 whoever he hands the forms over to doesn't know if it's a MkI, MkII, or a MkIX.

 He could call it a Kolbra for all they know.  I'd bet he is correct, it probably IS

 the only Kolb in Hungary.  I mean, how many can there be!!!??

  

   My apologies for dragging the subject out.  I just saw it as a situation where

 a government was standing between a guy and his Kolb airplane, and I've 

 already expressed my views of the government!  If it was up to me, I'd let him

 fly the plane, and get rid of the bureaucrat!!!  But then, that's probably just me...

  

 Thanks, 

  

 Mike Welch

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Folks the fact is and unless he has already told them in writing, they would not be able to tell Kolb Firestar from a Kolb Sputnik to a Kolb M3X. all he has to do is show the G-Robots a piece of paper and say here is the certificate for this airplane and he be done. They do their inspection certify it and off he goes flying a Kolb and opening a whole new market. . Everybody is happy there in Hungaria. 

I can imagine when the next kolb shows up and providing they wonder why both of these have the same model and look different, well by then it has been inspected and certified. G-Robots don't mess with stuff they already certify, the next guy may have to do some contortions but Zoltan will be certified in his now M3 under *its* Hungarian model designation in Hungary. Lol

That's the way it works.

Zolta say nothing to those G-Robots just give them the paper show them your airplane and keep quite.

zetebete(at)t-online.hu
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Hallo all, but mostly Ron, Pat, Mike  and John!



I think all you are in a big misunderstanding.

Now I try to explain you, why I asked your help some days before.

My KOLB have had a permit of my instructor four years befor, but it is too few for our authority.

The hungarien aviation low doesn't know the "ultralight experimental" category.  ((becouse, it is an old low - still from the socialist system))

Forthere, tehere is no separetly rul for this category.The experimental planes is managed by the same rule, like a big plane./forinstance Jumbo 747/

The rule is rule!Must keep, but we know it is wrong.The handmade producing is alsÃ³ very complicate, like other office work.

 

forinstanc an interesting affair.:Peter Bessenyei(he is a hungarian No. 1 pilot) who have made the RED BULL AIR RACE world chanpionship up  - and he have won it more times.He obtained a hungarian produced  CORVUS type, wonderfool race plane  - and now listen!!! The plane is registered in the USA - becouse he could not register here, at home.( You will see him to fly-and I hope to win- this year on the RBAR.)



The aviation authority is too difficult and the low is not "up-to-date.It is the estate of the socialist system too.

Our contry is a very small one.Here must keep the rules.

Maybe,it will be a new up-to-date aviation low in this year, and the problems "fly" away.

 

I want to calm down everybody, I don't want to cheating, to steal,to falsify, to make a new type hungarian kolb, I don't need any new kolb part,and I haven' got a long dark-grey trenchcoat, and so on...................................!   And Mike, mustn't close your door, nobady knoks there.



I had got  a complete plane set and weight and ballance report four  years before, from an american kolbers and he didn't mention closed door, and now, there is no other kolb in Hungary.



I passed 66 and I want ONLY FLY by my KOLB.And I am very grateful to Mr KOLB, that he gave so good plane for the people.



And now I very ask everybody, don't send me   a n y t h i n g   N E V E R  !!!!! 



So, I thank you very-very much for everything!!!!Your correspondences were very instructive.



Finally, You can see the single hungarian kolb and me - without dark view.



Excuse me my poor english!!



Thank you.

Hi for all. ZoltÃ¡n Tibi

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		  From Hungary

KOLB TWINSTAR MARK II/R582/
	


  





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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:49 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

So, I thank you very-very much for everything!!!!Your correspondences were  very instructive.



Finally, You can see the single hungarian kolb and me -  without dark view.



Excuse me my poor english!!



Thank you.

Hi  for all. ZoltÃ¡n Tibi

 	  Quote: 	
		  From Hungary

KOLB TWINSTAR MARK  II/R582/
	




I would never look at you and your plane  with a dark view...   and your English is far better than my  Hungarian.

  

 boyd young

 mkiii

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: Type certificate for KOLB MARK II TWINSTAR

Hi Zoltan

I can assure you that I and the rest here on this list only meant the best and were trying to be helpful. We use humor a lot but none of that humor in any way is intended to disparage you, Its just our way of not being too serious or dark. In any event we all know more about your situation and I wish you the best of luck.

I for one was not aware from your initial message that you had your craft already registered or the whole story. Thus were the comments.

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