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drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:09 pm Post subject: Step

I wanted to add another data point to the broken step.  I took some 

friends up for a ride this weekend.  As a 300 lb guy was getting into 

the plane, the right step broke off .  Same place as previous notes.  

Weld broke, looked like minimal weld material at top.  I had a 

significant amount of rust inside.  I remember that I did put some 

primer inside the tube.  Will have to cut access holes to get to the bolt.



May be something to think about if you have a heavy person to get in the 

plane.  Might want to get a small step stool out to help them get up a 

little higher.  When he was getting in the plane, he couldn't quite get 

his weight forward enough to grab the door sill.  So he kinda hesitated 

and tried to catch his balance and wavered on the step just before it 

broke.  Maybe if he had a step it would have been a little easier and he 

wouldn't have stressed the weld so much.



Of course, small dent in the skin underneath.



I'll try and take some pics and post later.  May be the weekend before I 

can address the issue.



Dr Fred



515 FW.

davidsoutpost(at)comcast.
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: Step

One of my steps had a stress crack about 3/8" long on the top of the step weld where it joins the strut.  There was a small pit where it started in the middle.  I have a TIG welder so I re-welded both steps adding quite a bit of filler as I went along.  No way I want to have to remove one if/when one breaks, and that particular step would have broke real quickly.  I am now waiting them to come back from chroming so I can get them installed and install the baggage floors.



David Clifford



RV-10 Builder

N849RV (reserved)



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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: Step

Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think 

there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes. 

While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had 

a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need 

to reweld the step before it breaks.

I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a 

hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step 

that will force me to do more later.

Pascal



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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: Step

Are people getting injured when these things break?

  

 -Rob

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)>

 

Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes. While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks.

 I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step that will force me to do more later.

Pascal



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: Step

Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear

window to help passengers come aboard?



On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net> wrote:

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 Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think

 there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes.

 While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had

 a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need

 to reweld the step before it breaks.

 I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a

 hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken step

 that will force me to do more later.

 Pascal

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: Step

Step breakage issues aren't unique to RV's...they're common on

many other models too.  So they're always something to treat

carefully.  A portable step would be a good idea if you're

loading a lot of chubbies....you not only have the step breakage

issue but if you're aft loaded with gear, you could have the

"smash the tail to the ground" issue too.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 1/24/2011 5:48 PM, Pascal wrote:

[quote] 



 Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I

 think there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the

 planes. While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a

 RV-7 that had a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the

 weak weld and need to reweld the step before it breaks.

 I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be

 a hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a broken

 step that will force me to do more later.

 Pascal



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jcumins(at)jcis.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: Step

We have a handle mounted on the curve of the fuselage above the step on our

Saratoga, and I plan on adding 2 ea type handles to my -10 one on each side

makes climbing the step much easier and safer.

 



John G. Cumins

40864  Wings Rib riveting

 

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dmaib(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: Step

I put handles above the rear windows, and many others have as well.  

They are similar to handles on the older Bonanza I used to fly, and  

they work well.



David Maib

40559

flying



On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the right rear

 window to help passengers come aboard?



 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net>  

 wrote:

> 

>

> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the  

> rust I think

> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the  

> planes.

> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7  

> that had

> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld  

> and need

> to reweld the step before it breaks.

> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It  

> may be a

> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it will be better than a  

> broken step

> that will force me to do more later.

> Pascal

taildragon(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: Step

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 Is there an upper limit on the size of a single passenger or pilot? It  seems that there would be a limit to how much can walk on the wing or  that the seat and seat belts can support during CAT or high G  maneuvers. 

  

 Roger

  

  

 > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)>   

 	  Quote: 	
		   wrote:

> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)>

>

>  Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the   

> rust I think

> there needs to be a concern that the step  is a sore spot on the  

> planes.

> While up at a VAF  Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7  

> that  had

> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak  weld  

> and need

> to reweld the step before it  breaks.

> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my  passengers. It  

> may be a

> hassle, for the few times  I do it, but it will be better than a  

> broken step

>  that will force me to do more later.

>  Pascal


	




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drfred(at)suddenlinkmail.
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: Step

David ;

     

     Do you know if the step material is 4130?Â  

     

     And to answer the other question, the guy didn't injure himself.Â      Just dropped straight down.Â  Didn't hit the flap edge.Â  He never got     up that far.Â  I was thinking about the tipping issue when he climbed     in.Â  

     

     Dr Fred

     515FW

     

     

     

     On 1/24/2011 5:40 PM, davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net (davidsoutpost(at)comcast.net) wrote:     [quote]       p { margin: 0; }       One of my steps had a stress crack about 3/8" long on the         top of the step weld where it joins the strut.Â  There was a         small pit where it started in the middle.Â  I have a TIG welder         so I re-welded both steps adding quite a bit of filler as I went         along.Â  No way I want to have to remove one if/when one           breaks, and that particular step would have broke real           quickly.Â  I am now waiting them to come back from chroming so           I can get them installed and install the baggage floors.

           

           David Clifford

           

           RV-10 Builder

           N849RV (reserved)

         

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tsts4

Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 167
Location: Tampa, FL

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Step

David,

(Sorry for the thread high-jack everyone), would you mind posting some more details on the handle (where to buy, how you installed, etc)?



Thanks,

Todd

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Todd Stovall
aka "Auburntsts" on EAA and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Flying

bruce1hwjohnson(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: Step

Do you have any pics too post on those handles?



 

   From: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 6:40:41 PM

Subject: Re: RV10-List: Step



--> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib <dmaib(at)mac.com (dmaib(at)mac.com)>



I put handles above the rear windows, and many others have as well. They are similar to handles on the older Bonanza I used to fly, and they work well.



David Maib

40559

flying



On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>

 

 Has anyone considered putting a grab handle under the  right rear

 window to help passengers come aboard?

 

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Pascal <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)> wrote:

> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net (rv10builder(at)verizon.net)>

> 

> Sounds like 300lbs is the limit on the step. Regardless of the rust I think

> there needs to be a concern that the step is a sore spot on the planes.

> While up at a VAF Socal meeting and show and tell there was a RV-7 that had

> a missing step as well. Seems many have commented on the weak weld and need

> to reweld the step before it breaks.

> I am seriously thinking of a portable step for my passengers. It may be a

> hassle, for the few times I do it, but it  will be better than a broken step

> that will force me to do more later.

> Pascal

 

 

 

 


	




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