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 Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:36 pm Post subject: Yak 52 / M14P documentation |
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Hey all...
I am hoping maybe someone on this list can help with some info...
What I need is documentation that shows the Russian overhaul
requirements / times...something that actually lists times and
maintenance / overhaul requirements for the Yak 52 and the Russian
M14P engine...
If that doesn't make sense please drop me a line...
Thanks!
-Bill
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: Yak 52 / M14P documentation |
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Bill:
There are experts on here who have been to the factory, but there may not be a definitive answer to the traditional Western need for TBOs and overhaul specifications for a few reasons:
These engines are used in radically different situations (unlimited akro at full power, training, and milder applications).
The maintenance regime in the Eastern Bloc is also way different. Depending on what the engine was being used for, apparently it was directed that they be returned to an overhaul facility for IRAN (inspect and repair as needed) at different intervals. I have heard that these times (in hours) were low compared to a typical TBO, but you also weren't going to replace so many components the way we would over here. So they weren't as thorough with replacing / machining / overhauling all of the parts, but the engines were being torn down and inspected more frequently. I guess this is analogous to a progressive inspection program on a Western airplane. This is a tear-down inspection I'm referring to. On the other hand, the planes weren't being subjected to annual condition inspections the way we do.
Whether the engine was first, second or third run (new, overhauled once, overhauled twice) affected the IRAN interval. I say overhauled, which is like our overhaul, not just an IRAN.
Apparently, the oil over there wasn't as good as here.
If you contact the pros on here (Coy, Goode, Hayes, Sapp, Savarese) and describe your circumstances, they will give you an idea of what to expect.
Anyway, a lot of documentation for the Yak-52 and M-14P is available on PDF contact me off-list if you need it.
-Eric
On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Bill VonDane wrote:
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Hey all...
I am hoping maybe someone on this list can help with some info...
What I need is documentation that shows the Russian overhaul
requirements / times...something that actually lists times and
maintenance / overhaul requirements for the Yak 52 and the Russian
M14P engine...
If that doesn't make sense please drop me a line...
Thanks!
-Bill
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: Yak 52 / M14P documentation |
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Bill, is this in reference to an aircraft you own or are contemplating
purchasing?
A direct answer to your question is pretty simple really. In the United
States, both the M-14 engine and the YAK-52 aircraft are operated in the
Experimental category. That said, there are no documents listing
"mandatory" maintenance and overhaul requirements for the YAK-52 and the
Russian M-14P engine from the original Russian manufacturer. Each year
the engine and aircraft receive a Conditional Inspection and are put
back into service by an A&P mechanic. It would help if you could give a
more detailed answer as to your goals so that the experienced members of
this list could answer your questions in better detail.
As regards Experimental Engines, the best folks to talk to that I have
had experience with is the EAA. You might consider giving them a phone
call. They are always very helpful and full of information on what can,
and can not be done, on Experimental Aircraft.
Please keep in mind that many of the members of the YAK list are global
in nature, and what applies in one country may not apply in another.
While there are a lot of very experienced members in this list from all
over the world, in the end I honestly believe that the EAA remains the
best source in interpreting things (in the United States) like you are
asking on the M-14P engine and the YAK airframe.
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
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billvondane(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:40 am Post subject: Yak 52 / M14P documentation |
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Hey Mark...
It's a Yak I already own... The issue is I lost my business first of
last year and am in the middle of a bankruptcy (not sure I want to
post that to the entire list)... I have a meeting with the trustee on
the 15th and my attorney wants me to produce documentation that the
engine and or airframe is in need of major work, and estimates as to
what it would take to do that work. This is to validate my claims
that the yak is not worth their effort to take possession of and try
to sell...and so that I can keep it...
The Yak is an 81 Yak 52 with about 880 hours on the m14p, and about
2580 total time... he plane hasn't flown in a year and the annual was
due last august...
So here is what I am thinking I need done: Note, the plane is located
in Colorado
annual
engine overhaul / replace - has 880 hours
prop repair and repaint - has a dime sized chip in one of the blades
gear actuators rebuild - just need one main and the nose
uplocks rebuild - all
oil cooler hoses replaced
elevators repaired, recovered and painted - both have damaged trailing edges
Thanks...
-Bill VonDane
billvondane(at)gmail.com
719-749-1149
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
[quote]
Bill, is this in reference to an aircraft you own or are contemplating
purchasing?
A direct answer to your question is pretty simple really. In the United
States, both the M-14 engine and the YAK-52 aircraft are operated in the
Experimental category. That said, there are no documents listing
"mandatory" maintenance and overhaul requirements for the YAK-52 and the
Russian M-14P engine from the original Russian manufacturer. Each year
the engine and aircraft receive a Conditional Inspection and are put
back into service by an A&P mechanic. It would help if you could give a
more detailed answer as to your goals so that the experienced members of
this list could answer your questions in better detail.
As regards Experimental Engines, the best folks to talk to that I have
had experience with is the EAA. You might consider giving them a phone
call. They are always very helpful and full of information on what can,
and can not be done, on Experimental Aircraft.
Please keep in mind that many of the members of the YAK list are global
in nature, and what applies in one country may not apply in another.
While there are a lot of very experienced members in this list from all
over the world, in the end I honestly believe that the EAA remains the
best source in interpreting things (in the United States) like you are
asking on the M-14P engine and the YAK airframe.
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:40 am Post subject: Yak 52 / M14P documentation |
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No problem Bill.
I will answer this privately.
Mark
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bill VonDane <billvondane(at)gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak 52 / M14P documentation
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Hey Mark...
It's a Yak I already own... The issue is I lost my business first of
last year and am in the middle of a bankruptcy (not sure I want to
post that to the entire list)... I have a meeting with the trustee on
the 15th and my attorney wants me to produce documentation that the
engine and or airframe is in need of major work, and estimates as to
what it would take to do that work. This is to validate my claims
that the yak is not worth their effort to take possession of and try
to sell...and so that I can keep it...
The Yak is an 81 Yak 52 with about 880 hours on the m14p, and about
2580 total time... he plane hasn't flown in a year and the annual was
due last august...
So here is what I am thinking I need done: Note, the plane is located
in Colorado
annual
engine overhaul / replace - has 880 hours
prop repair and repaint - has a dime sized chip in one of the blades
gear actuators rebuild - just need one main and the nose
uplocks rebuild - all
oil cooler hoses replaced
elevators repaired, recovered and painted - both have damaged trailing edges
Thanks...
-Bill VonDane
billvondane(at)gmail.com
719-749-1149
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
[quote]
Bill, is this in reference to an aircraft you own or are contemplating
purchasing?
A direct answer to your question is pretty simple really. In the United
States, both the M-14 engine and the YAK-52 aircraft are operated in the
Experimental category. That said, there are no documents listing
"mandatory" maintenance and overhaul requirements for the YAK-52 and the
Russian M-14P engine from the original Russian manufacturer. Each year
the engine and aircraft receive a Conditional Inspection and are put
back into service by an A&P mechanic. It would help if you could give a
more detailed answer as to your goals so that the experienced members of
this list could answer your questions in better detail.
As regards Experimental Engines, the best folks to talk to that I have
had experience with is the EAA. You might consider giving them a phone
call. They are always very helpful and full of information on what can,
and can not be done, on Experimental Aircraft.
Please keep in mind that many of the members of the YAK list are global
in nature, and what applies in one country may not apply in another.
While there are a lot of very experienced members in this list from all
over the world, in the end I honestly believe that the EAA remains the
best source in interpreting things (in the United States) like you are
asking on the M-14P engine and the YAK airframe.
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
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