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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

Well Here is The skinny of me and N213 thursday afternoon I was out flying when all of a sudden I got a real violent Vibration enough to set the ELT off it shook the whole airplane this way and it was violent enough to shed both carbs then I was getting some glider time in, and only one small bog covered with 3 feet of snow I was not... in a panic mode at all I ended up landing 200 yards short and in the woods the mk3 didnt make it but I got a bruised ankle and a small scratch on the back of my hand, I spent the day with the FAA and talking to the NTSB and insurance company and the rest of the day taking what was left of the airplane apart and out of the woods before the airplane pirates could find it 

 The FAA guy said the propellor was the cause of this situation as far as he can see, one of the three Warp Drive Blades lost 2/3 of its blade.  I never been fond of Warp drive Props and now I can never change my mind about what I thought of them, im Thinking this could have taken my life or worse someone elses life, The NTSB wants to take possession of this Prop

    

   Ellery  N213 Down & Out 

 

 

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beauford

Joined: 25 Apr 2007
Posts: 127
Location: Brandon, FL

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

Brother Batchelder:

Major congrats on handling what was obviously a tough situation…  Glad you are OK.

 

Further testimony to the inherent strength of the Kolb that she didn’t come to pieces on you in the air after

slinging most of a blade… some other light aircraft designs might have done so.

 

beauford

FF-076

Brandon, FL

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From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ellery Batchelder Jr

Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 9:17 PM

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: N213 Wreck



 

  

Well Here is The skinny of me and N213 thursday afternoon I was out flying when all of a sudden I got a real violent Vibration enough to set the ELT off it shook the whole airplane this way and it was violent enough to shed both carbs then I was getting some glider time in, and only one small bog covered with 3 feet of snow I was not... in a panic mode at all I ended up landing 200 yards short and in the woods the mk3 didnt make it but I got a bruised ankle and a small scratch on the back of my hand, I spent the day with the FAA and talking to the NTSB and insurance company and the rest of the day taking what was left of the airplane apart and out of the woods before the airplane pirates could find it 

The FAA guy said the propellor was the cause of this situation as far as he can see, one of the three Warp Drive Blades lost 2/3 of its blade.  I never been fond of Warp drive Props and now I can never change my mind about what I thought of them, im Thinking this could have taken my life or worse someone elses life, The NTSB wants to take possession of this Prop



 



Ellery  N213 Down & Out 

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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

I couldnt agree with you any more there are a lot of other flying things I wouldnt want to be in, in that situation

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		    Further testimony to the inherent strength of the Kolb that she didnâ€™t come to pieces on you in the air after

   slinging most of a bladeâ€¦ some other light aircraft designs might have done so.

    

 	


 

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:08 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

Ellery, glad to year you're OK, sorry about the plane.



 Funny, I always had the impression that Warp Drives were the toughest out there?



 -Dana



 At 09:16 PM 2/18/2011, Ellery Batchelder Jr wrote:

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 Well Here is The skinny of me and N213 thursday afternoon I was out flying when all of a sudden I got a real violent Vibration enough to set the ELT off it shook the whole airplane this way and it was violent enough to shed both carbs then I was getting some glider time in, and only one small bog covered with 3 feet of snow I was not... in a panic mode at all I ended up landing 200 yards short and in the woods the mk3 didnt make it but I got a bruised ankle and a small scratch on the back of my hand, I spent the day with the FAA and talking to the NTSB and insurance company and the rest of the day taking what was left of the airplane apart and out of the woods before the airplane pirates could find it 

 The FAA guy said the propellor was the cause of this situation as far as he can see, one of the three Warp Drive Blades lost 2/3 of its blade.  I never been fond of Warp drive Props and now I can never change my mind about what I thought of them, im Thinking this could have taken my life or worse someone elses life, The NTSB wants to take possession of this Prop

  	


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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

I thought they were  the toughest out there but I just didn't like the idea of how they  

   pitch the blades and the design of the Prop Hub on this particular model 

   Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

I thought they were  the toughest out there but I just didn't like the idea 

of how they

pitch the blades and the design of the Prop Hub on this particular model

Ellery Batchelder Jr.



Ellery B/Kolbers:



What model hub and blades were you flying?



Have you talked to Darryl at Warp Drive?



First time I have heard of a blade seperating on a Warp Drive.



Again, glad you are ok.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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John Hauck
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: N213 Wreck

I'm just glad to hear that your ok. Insurance can replace the bird so you can fly again. It does speak volumes on the safety of the design. One of the reasons I picked a Kolb.

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

Great that you made it out. Well I guess I am not going to get a Warp drive either. I like that Tennessee prop anyway. Too bad they don't make a 3, 4 blader's.

---- Ellery Batchelder Jr <elleryweld(at)aol.com> wrote: 



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Well Here is The skinny of me and N213 thursday afternoon I was out flying when all of a sudden I got a real violent Vibration enough to set the ELT off it shook the whole airplane this way and it was violent enough to shed both carbs then I was getting some glider time in, and only one small bog covered with 3 feet of snow I was not... in a panic mode at all I ended up landing 200 yards short and in the woods the mk3 didnt make it but I got a bruised ankle and a small scratch on the back of my hand, I spent the day with the FAA and talking to the NTSB and insurance company and the rest of the day taking what was left of the airplane apart and out of the woods before the airplane pirates could find it 

The FAA guy said the propellor was the cause of this situation as far as he can see, one of the three Warp Drive Blades lost 2/3 of its blade.  I never been fond of Warp drive Props and now I can never change my mind about what I thought of them, im Thinking this could have taken my life or worse someone elses life, The NTSB wants to take possession of this Prop



Ellery  N213 Down & Out 

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Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: Re: N213 Wreck

Ellery, I'm glad to see that you made it out ok.



How many hours did you have on the Warp Drive prop? Did it have any nicks that you could see? How many hours did it have? Was it the tapered prop?



Ralph B

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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: N213 Wreck

I will be looking for the paperwork on that Prop and get that info  out 

   the NTSB wants to know also  I'll get you guys that info 

 

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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elleryweld(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: N213 Wreck

171 Hours on the Prop

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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elleryweld(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:39 am Post subject: N213 Wreck

and not a nick visible until this incident 

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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Vic Peters

Joined: 30 Oct 2009
Posts: 54
Location: Millinocket, Maine

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: Re: N213 Wreck

Typical "Ellery". A poster asks how long a runway he needs and Ellery shows him (none)!

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Kip

Joined: 13 Jul 2009
Posts: 51

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: Re: N213 Wreck

Sounds like you kept your cool, Ellery.



Great job and thanks for relaying the details...

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Don G

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 156
Location: Central Illinois

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: N213 Wreck

EB..I just saw the photos on facebook...wow...that is about the strangest prop failure I have seen...cant ever remembering one coming apart in that fashion..

Glad you came thru ok!

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Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
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elleryweld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: N213 Wreck

easy easy easy Vic I have feeling you know even though I didnt have to use them in these pictures

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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russkinne(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: N213 Wreck

Ellery

Aren't you glad you didn't have a 350-lb passenger??

elleryweld(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: N213 Wreck

Oh yes  That wouldn't have been good at all, im Glad I made the choice to fly alone that day to

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:58 am Post subject: Re: N213 Wreck

Ellery,



I'd like to add my congratulations to you for a job well done. Emergencies handled well are what training, practice and experience are all about. PLEASE keep us posted on the prop assessment by NTSB. Has Warp Drive expressed interest in getting it back for their own evaluation?



Care to share your plans/thoughts on re-building or building new?

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:27 am Post subject: N213 Wreck

Has Warp Drive expressed interest in getting it back for their own 

evaluation?



 Thom Riddle



I am sure Warp Drive will be interested in those prop blades.



However, I don't think they are Warp Drive Blades. To the best of my 

knowledge Warp Drive has never built anything but solid carbon fiber blades. 

The blade that failed on Ellery's MKIII looks like a honey comb core blade. 

Another peculiarity of this failure is the area of the blade that failed, 

the trailing edge.



If I am wrong, promptly correct me.  I plan to call Daryl in the morning and 

will confirm if they have ever manufactured and sold honey comb prop blades.



All Warp Drive Prop Blades have the serial number and maybe the weight of 

the blade inscribed in pencil on the butt end of each blade.  Also, one 

blade of a two or three blade prop will have the data sticker on it with SN.



I have flown and been sponsored by Warp Drive since September 1993.  During 

that time have flown my MKIII with Warp Drive props mounted on 582, 912UL 

and 912ULS, for more than 3,000.0 hours.  The worst situation I have 

encountered with the Warp Drive Prop was when an 18" section of 1.5" exhaust 

pipe with a 180 degree and a 90 degree bends, broke and went through the 

prop at wide open throttle.  Was climbing out when I heard and felt a huge 

explosion.  Had a slight vibration.  Made a precautionary landing at the 

next airport to check out the damage.  There was a ding in the leading edge 

of one blade.  Flew the remaining 11 miles back to my airstrip with no 

further problems except the slight vibration.  Was lucky the prop did not 

kick the pipe into an aileron, wing, or tailboom.  However, it did get the 

bottom frame of my radiator which was mounted between prop and tail of 

fuselage cage.



john h

Titus, Alabama

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