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Sean Blair

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 39
Location: Colorado Springs

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Hey everyone,



I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I want.  It looks like several builders have installed these as well.  Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and configurations of the buttons/switches?



Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration you chose?  Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?



Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you?  Would you prefer having a "neutral" grip?



Thanks!



Sean B.

#40225

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

We installed one in N256H and love it.  In N415EC we are installing right

and left units.  We have the following layout:



Left thumb - rudder trim

Coolie hat - aileron and elevator trim

Right thumb - flaps (momentary down - non-momentary up)

Trigger - PTT of course

Side thumb - Auto Pilot Control Wheel Steering

Pinky - flight timer on first, probably overhead LED panel lights on N415EC



We have the boost pump switch between the throttle and prop knobs, so

without moving your hands you have almost all of the important controls if

something happens.  One option for the pinky is a starter solenoid button

so you could restart without moving your hands, especially with the boost

pump next to the throttle.



Hope this helps.



Jesse Saint



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hey everyone,



 I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what I

 want.  It looks like several builders have installed these as well.  Could

 you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and

 configurations of the buttons/switches?



 Also, is there anything you would like to change about the configuration

 you chose?  Is it difficult to correct this after the installation?



 Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you?  Would you prefer

 having a "neutral" grip?



 Thanks!



 Sean B.

 #40225








	




Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of wooden

gripe, if anyone has.  I'm interested in something simple, hardwood, but

with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other

buttons.  



John J.  

  328 



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Sean,



I started skeptically looking at the infinity.  All the plastic

grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.

In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left

or right.  I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.

Boy have I learned.



I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable

and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more

or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if

you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since

the throttle is in the middle.  Being right handed, I think that

if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you

may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my

own plane, so I can't comment much on that.



I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more.  I am

using them as follows:



Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim

One top button - swap chelton screen modes

Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)

Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect

Trigger - PTT

Pinky button - EFIS MUTE



In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd

chelton screen mode.



I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.

There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being

the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll

at least get thinking points.



I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used

to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions

on the co-pilot switch.  This allows me to disable the

copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important

if you have kids over there).



I like the setup very much.  I think other grips would be

nice too, but I do like what I have.  The wires route

down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.

My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more

button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps

instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd

DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either

screen.



Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll

like having some of these things on the stick.  EFIS

mute I use all the time.

Tim



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

seanblair(at)adelphia.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hey everyone,

 

 I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be what

 I want.  It looks like several builders have installed these as well.

 Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and

 configurations of the buttons/switches?

 

 Also, is there anything you would like to change about the

 configuration you chose?  Is it difficult to correct this after the

 installation?

 

 Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you?  Would you

 prefer having a "neutral" grip?

 

 Thanks!

 

 Sean B. #40225

rnewman(at)lutron.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Tim,   What is EFIS mute??



Also,   I second many of your opinions regarding the usefulness of the

buttons.



On our Glastar we have elev trim, PTT and autopilot disable, and com

swap.  Its very manageable and intuitive.



Also, I fully agree that the need to switch hands is pretty much zero. 

 I've tried to fly with my right hand and that's about as awkward as

trying to write cursive with the wrong hand!



-Bob Newman

fuse slow build, going slowly 



 	  Quote: 	
		  >> Tim(at)MyRV10.com 5/11/2006 1:50:31 PM >>>

	




Sean,



I started skeptically looking at the infinity.  All the plastic

grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.

In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left

or right.  I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.

Boy have I learned.



I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable

and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more

or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if

you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since

the throttle is in the middle.  Being right handed, I think that

if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you

may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my

own plane, so I can't comment much on that.



I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more.  I am

using them as follows:



Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim

One top button - swap chelton screen modes

Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)

Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect

Trigger - PTT

Pinky button - EFIS MUTE



In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd

chelton screen mode.



I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.

There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being

the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll

at least get thinking points.



I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used

to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions

on the co-pilot switch.  This allows me to disable the

copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important

if you have kids over there).



I like the setup very much.  I think other grips would be

nice too, but I do like what I have.  The wires route

down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.

My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more

button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps

instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd

DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either

screen.



Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll

like having some of these things on the stick.  EFIS

mute I use all the time.

Tim



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

seanblair(at)adelphia.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Hey everyone,

 

 I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be

what
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   I want.  It looks like several builders have installed these as

well.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and

 configurations of the buttons/switches?

 

 Also, is there anything you would like to change about the

 configuration you chose?  Is it difficult to correct this after the

 installation?

 

 Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you?  Would you

 prefer having a "neutral" grip?

 

 Thanks!

 

 Sean B. #40225

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

John,

I have no gripe about wood. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

John Jessen wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of wooden

 gripe, if anyone has.  I'm interested in something simple, hardwood, but

 with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other

 buttons.  

 

 John J.  

   328 

 

 --

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

See inline...

Bob Newman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Tim,   What is EFIS mute??

The EFIS will give voice warnings:  "terrain", "traffic", "check

engine", "stall", and others.  When setting up the system and

fine tuning it especially, you'll want to quickly be able to

mute this stuff.  Esp. on the first flight when you have your

stall speed warning and some things maybe set a bit high.

It's very handy.

 	  Quote: 	
		   Also,   I second many of your opinions regarding the usefulness of the

 buttons.

 On our Glastar we have elev trim, PTT and autopilot disable, and com

 swap.  Its very manageable and intuitive.

Yeah, the com swap really is cool.  I can be viewing an airports

runway info on the chelton, scroll up to the CTAF freq. and hit

"TO COM1", then with my other hand that's on the stick, just flip

it and it'll be active without me moving over to the radio

and doing more work there.  Great stuff.

 	  Quote: 	
		   Also, I fully agree that the need to switch hands is pretty much zero. 

  I've tried to fly with my right hand and that's about as awkward as

 trying to write cursive with the wrong hand!

Yep, you get used to whatever you do.

Tim

 	  Quote: 	
		   -Bob Newman

 fuse slow build, going slowly 

>>> Tim(at)MyRV10.com 5/11/2006 1:50:31 PM >>>

 Sean,

 I started skeptically looking at the infinity.  All the plastic

 grips looked like toys to me, but now all that's changed.

 In addition, I used to think I'd want a neutral grip, not left

 or right.  I also used to think I didn't need that many buttons.

 Boy have I learned.

 I am liking the right-hand/left-hand arrangement, as it's comfortable

 and I find that I don't swap hands that much because you are more

 or less required (not REQUIRED, but...) to use your right hand if

 you're in the right seat and left if you're in the left, since

 the throttle is in the middle.  Being right handed, I think that

 if you were doing lots of radio work from the right seat, you

 may have other preferences, but I don't fly from the right in my

 own plane, so I can't comment much on that.

 I do use every switch, and wish I had one or two more.  I am

 using them as follows:

 Hat switch - Aileron and Elevator trim

 One top button - swap chelton screen modes

 Other top switch (DPDT) - Com flip com1 (UP) / Com flip com2 (DN)

 Thumb button - CWS/AP Disconnect

 Trigger - PTT

 Pinky button - EFIS MUTE

 In addition, I wish I had another button to swap my 2nd

 chelton screen mode.

 I'm not a fan of putting flaps or engine start on the stick.

 There are various reasons why, inadvertent activation being

 the biggest, but if you talk to a bunch of people you'll

 at least get thinking points.

 I also have a locking-lever toggle on the panel that is used

 to switch OFF the ground returns on some of the functions

 on the co-pilot switch.  This allows me to disable the

 copilot's TRIM, so they can't mess with my trim (important

 if you have kids over there).

 I like the setup very much.  I think other grips would be

 nice too, but I do like what I have.  The wires route

 down the stick tube, and aren't visible at all in the cabin.

 My biggest wish is that I would have either added one more

 button to the stick for that 2nd screen swap, or perhaps

 instead of had it be a button, I would have used a 2nd

 DPDT toggle so the up and down could do it to either

 screen.

 Whatever multi-function stick you get, I think you'll

 like having some of these things on the stick.  EFIS

 mute I use all the time.

 Tim

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 seanblair(at)adelphia.net wrote:

> 

>

> Hey everyone,

>

> I am looking at the Infinity Aerospace Grips and they seem to be

 what

> I want.  It looks like several builders have installed these as

 well.

> Could you flying users of this equipment share your impressions and

> configurations of the buttons/switches?

>

> Also, is there anything you would like to change about the

> configuration you chose?  Is it difficult to correct this after the

> installation?

>

> Does the specific right or left hand molding bother you?  Would you

> prefer having a "neutral" grip?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sean B. #40225

>

Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

We've got some wood grips.  I think they are in the Spruce catalog, but I found them in a closet at work (long story).



We haven't flown yet, so I can't tell you how they are.  Our right-side just has PTT.  Pilot has

Pushbutton on top - AP

Toggle on top - Flap

Coolie hat on top - Trim

PTT near the index finger

and a pinky button we haven't decided on what it will be used for yet.



TDT



________________________________



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Tim Olson

Sent: Thu 5/11/2006 2:37 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Infinity Aerospace Grip






John,

I have no gripe about wood. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

John Jessen wrote:

[quote] 



 I'd also like to hear from those who've chosen to use some type of wooden

 gripe, if anyone has.  I'm interested in something simple, hardwood, but

 with enough of a "head" to hold a hat switch, and maybe 1 or 2 other

 buttons.



 John J.

   328



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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

grape gripe pipe pip whatever.  a contextual spell checker would be nice.  



do not archive 



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coop85(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

I opted for the wood grips that Van's sells.  One version has both a PTT and

a coolie hat switch.  I used a similar stick in my RV-6 and really liked it.

Since I'm not starting with roll trim, I used the side position of the

coolie hat for the autopilot control wheel steering.



One consideration I'd like to offer.  I know a number of folks have put the

flap control on grip but I chose not to in order to prevent an inadvertent

flap extension at cruise speed.  I think it would really get your attention

to get the flaps rolling at 170 knots and could be pretty easy to do.  Just

my .02 worth, and it's not a problem as long as you never hit the wrong

button.



Marcus



Do not archive



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Another thing with the left-right-handed grips is that you are not gripping

the whole thing the whole time you are flying.  You rest your hand on your

lap and just hang on with two or three fingers to the bottom of the grip.

Flying this way it works with both hands.  When you are gripping the whole

grip is when you need to focus and need to have your inside hand on the

throttle, for the most part.  Also, the autopilot ends up doing a lot of the

flying anyway.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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dmasys(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

I have the Infinity grip on my RV-7A and like it a lot, though I had to revise the Coolie hat wiring.  Originally had the fore and aft Coolie hat control pitch trim, and moving it to the left swapped frequencies on the #1 Comm, while moving it right swapped frequencies on the #2 Comm.  Bad idea -- found I was inadvertently changing frequencies whenever I changed the pitch trim.



I now have it set up with:



Top left = fuel boost pump

Coolie hat fore/aft = pitch trim.  Don't have electric aileron trim so left/right on Coolie hat doesn't do anything currently.

Top right = flaps.  Here the folks at Infinity recommended that down be momentary, and up be a locking position.  I have that, but often find when I shut the plane down that the up flap motor is still running.  On the -10 I am going to put an Infinity in, but the flap switch will be momentary on in both directions.



Trigger = PTT, like everybody

Thumb button = transponder ident

Pinkie button = A/P disconnect.



It's a very comfortable grip -- in the -7A I have the resting position rotated 45 degrees, so my elbow sits on the elbow rest with my forearm angled about 45 degrees.  

(see http://array.ucsd.edu/rv7a/2003-02-16_stickgrip.jpg )



I normally fly the plane with two fingers on the grip (thumb and index finger of left hand).  Only grap a handful of grip for takeoff and landing.



-Dan Masys

#40448 installing autopilot servos and wiring

jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Remember, that if you have the flap positioning system, when it get to the

top the motor shuts off and doesn't draw almost any current, just enough to

verify that it is in the up position, unless I am mistaken.  Yes, it often

happens that the flap switch is left up, but that only is a problem if there

are two switches, and one is left up while the other is trying to put the

flaps down.  That can be solved by the "disable copilot switches" switch if

there are two stick grips.  Otherwise, leaving the flap switch in the

up-locked position, it is a reminder that the flaps are up, especially if,

as in N256H, you don't have a flap position indicator.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

For the problem of a running flap motor I have put a running light next to 

the flap switch (DPDT momentary down and switched up). light will indicate 

that switch needs to be returned to neutral (center) position

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10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Jesse, can you tell me how you installed electric rudder trim. I'm assuming 

it's electric if there is a switch on the stick for it. I have been messing 

with a tab on my rudder and have finally got a fairly neutral force for 

cruise, but the ball is out one way on climb out and out the other in higher 

speed descents. Not a big deal, at some point you have to fly these things 

like real airplanes, but I was considering building a new rudder and adding 

a built in tab with a servo in the tail to drive it. Just curious what you 

came up with. Mark.(N104ML)

jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

We used AeroTrim on both N256H and now on N415EC.  They really work well,

and can be installed after the plane is flying.  The hardest part is getting

the wire there, but that isn't that bad at all.  You just cut a hole in the

skin at the right place, either pop-rivet or nut-plate and screw the trim

servo in, then drill out a few rivets from the trailing edge and rivet the

hinge on.  I don't have any pictures on me, sorry.  Norm's number is

305-864-3336.  We paid about $175, I think, but we bought more than one at a

time.  His unit is STC'd for a bunch of planes, as I understand, so make

sure you let him know that you are experimental, and that you only want the

trim and the hinge, not the cheepo little toggle switch or the indicator.



If somebody wanted to go all-out, they could mount the trim under the skin

and then glass over it to make it a little more durable and a little more

flush-looking, but that would make it very hard to remove and service or

replace.  We put in 6 #6 nutplates on N415EC (for both aileron and rudder

trims) and will be able to remove them without trouble.



We have over 200hours on N256H and wouldn't fly it without the trims.  They

make it so easy to keep it flying clean, no matter how you decide to burn

your fuel, and keep the ball in the center.  It's worth the money.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

I have the CH products gripes. The sales rep is an RV-6 driver. It has all the same features as most, coolie hat, trigger, pinky and two thumb buttons. One nice feature is you can set the grip to allow it to swivel so it lines up with your hand as you bank and pitch. I'm not saying it's spins around freely and all loose, but the machined stick insert has a machined grove that the set screw rides in and the tension can be adjusted or locked fully down so there is no movement. I haven't tried to play with it yet. I read about the feature on a RV-7 site.

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/aircraft.html



Rick S.

40185

Fuse/fini

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Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
Guest

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

I love these grips.  I had them on my RV-9A on both sides as

well as my RV-10 (not flying yet).  I have the left and right hand

version on each side.  I mounted them at a 20 degree angle to the

centerline which is what I found to be the neutral position of my

forearm while my elbow rest on my lap.  I even made my own circuit

boards that I put a DB15 connector on the wires from this grip and then

I have a db25 connector on the board that interfaces to everything else

in the plane.  I have the hat switch run the ailron and elevator trims

via a onboard mosfet drivers.  I have a flap toggle switch which is a

momentary on-off-on which the center is off.  The other three location

have simple single pole single throw switches that I use for Audio Panel

Com Swap, Radio Act/Stby Swap, Transponder Ident, Auto Pilot disconnect.

This board I made can control three outputs for this gear as well as the

Ailron, Elavator and Flap motors.  This is all solid state and no

relays.  I then have another board on the co-pilot side that connects to

the pilot side with a 2 wire CAN bus.  This is where any button on the

right stick can send commands to the left control to run the motors.

	I've talked to the owner of Infinity Aerospace and he wants to

see what I have done and possibly sell them.



Thank You

Ray Doerr

40250 (First flight in 2 weeks.)





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10flyer(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

Thanks, I'll look into it! Mark

Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:01 am Post subject: Infinity Aerospace Grip

While were on the grip thing, How did you route your leads from the stick? Did you drill the curved portion or route them on the outside of the stick. Did anyone cut their sticks down to their most comfy position? I assume they will be too long as is, I need to mount a seat to check my length.



Rick S.

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