 |
Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
racerjerry
Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY
|
 Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: RV-9 as LSA |
 |
|
(Continued from “Anyone here?” discussion, p2)
Hi RV9 Ralph,
Your argument makes the most sense, so I will try to respond in detail. First of all, I thank you for contributing to rational discussion of this issue. Let me begin with your closing statement “Is it worth it?” If, for example, your next FAA medical is denied because you very slightly exceed some arbitrary standard (B.P.?), would you like to give up flying? If you have 20-20 vision with both eyes together, but one eye becomes 20-50 are you ready to quit?
I passed my recent FAA medical exam, but concern about the future is beginning to remove the joy of flying and starting a building project when unsure about medical status is just nuts. Then there is the waiver route – talk about endless frustration and cubic money wasted. It is too darned bad that the LSA rules were written around all the foreign crap (airplanes AND engines). If LSA rules included a Cessna 150 or 152, I would gladly dump my nice safe 172 and trade down. Maybe when enough well-heeled baby boomers of the political donor class retire and place some coins in appropriate pockets, this may change, but I doubt if such a revision will come in time for me. Meanwhile the FAA, in their infinite wisdom, has extended the discussion period for such a proposal to 99 years. As you said, If your RV-9 was EVER registered with a MGW weight over 1320 pounds, you can never fly it as an LSA (yeah, that makes perfect sense too).
At least two RV-9’s have already been qualified and REGISTERED as Light Sport Aircraft. One of the builders has stated he thought the better way to go is to build it light and register the craft as a regular experimental with a gross weight of no more that 1320 lbs. This plane is LEGAL. I do not advocate shredding the rules and I don’t know of all the changes that were required to fit within the LSA class (there were many), but it CAN be done. As far as maximum speed, it can be limited by flattening pitch, giving you plenty of climb ability.
RV-9 as-is is a still great airplane.
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
_________________
Jerry King |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
whd721
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 15
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:31 am Post subject: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
Jerry,
I responded to your original post for that reason. I am slightly more than half way through a RV9. Last year a medication cost me six months grounded while the FAA reviewed everything. No health or performance issues with me just medical wisdom. Now do I try again, or drop medical, if you lose once the LSA option is gone forever.
Sell my RV9? Gamble another year? RV9 LSA? All things must be considered.
If I felt unsafe medically , it would be easy. I would ground myself. Do I continue to put time into an RV build that I may never fly?
I will continue to check out this thread on the RV LSA, but it appears to be like the old Cubs and other legacy aircraft. A large pilot and fuel and you are over gross.
Those with sharp comments, might try to walk in others shoes.
On Mar 29, 2011, at 7:42 AM, racerjerry wrote:
| Quote: |
(Continued from Anyone here? discussion, p2)
Hi RV9 Ralph,
Your argument makes the most sense, so I will try to respond in detail. First of all, I thank you for contributing to rational discussion of this issue. Let me begin with your closing statement Is it worth it? If, for example, your next FAA medical is denied because you very slightly exceed some arbitrary standard (B.P.?), would you like to give up flying? If you have 20-20 vision with both eyes together, but one eye becomes 20-50 are you ready to quit?
I passed my recent FAA medical exam, but concern about the future is beginning to remove the joy of flying and starting a building project when unsure about medical status is just nuts. Then there is the waiver route talk about endless frustration and cubic money wasted. It is too darned bad that the LSA rules were written around all the foreign crap (airplanes AND engines). If LSA rules included a Cessna 150 or152, I would gladly dump my nice safe 172 and trade down. Maybe when enough well-heeled baby boomers of the political donor class retire and place some coins in appropriate pockets, this may change, but I doubt if such a revision will come in time for me. Meanwhile the FAA, in their infinite wisdom, has extended the discussion period for such a proposal to 99 years. As you said, If your RV-9 was EVER registered with a MGW weight over 1320 pounds, you can never fly it as an LSA (yeah, that makes perfect sense too).
At least two RV-9s have already been qualified and REGISTERED as Light Sport Aircraft. One of the builders has stated he thought the better way to go is to build it light and register the craft as a regular experimental with a gross weight of no more that 1320 lbs. This plane is LEGAL. I do not advocate shredding the rules and I dont know of all the changes that were required to fit within the LSA class (there were many), but it CAN be done. As far as maximum speed, it can be limited by flattening pitch, giving you plenty of climb ability.
RV-9 as-is is a still great airplane.
--------
Jerry King
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335399#335399
|
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
_________________
whd721
RV9A
Beaverton, OR |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
racerjerry
Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
Hi whd721,
First, I am very glad to hear that you feel perfectly fine except for worrying about the darned medical.
Not that I am recommending it, but all is not COMPLETELY lost if you decide to go for the exam and your medical is denied. At that point, you can try and qualify for a wavier and once you get it, never take another FAA medical again and go fly LSA…but you probably already know that. See my previous post regarding cubic money, endless frustration and wasted time.
As you said, all things must be considered, but I hope that your concerns won’t detract too much from your joy in building that wonderful RV-9 airplane. At least you are at a point where a choice is still available.
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
_________________
Jerry King |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
My personal experience, though narrow in scope, is that the FAA is slow to "Deny" a medical. On the other hand they are quick to ask for further information or tests which allows an individual the opportunity to reevaluate their position. Consideration might be given for buying into AOPA's medical support plan for a more complete understanding of how FAA medical review works.
Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?
John Kerr
Arterial Stent, Type 2 Diabedes, Flying on Special Issuance Medical Certificate.
Kitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic
---
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
racerjerry
Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
Hi John,
Thanks for your input. I hope that you are feeling well. We certainly did breathe some life into this dormant forum today. Your suggestion of utilizing AOPA’s Medical Support Plan is a good one. www.leftseat.com has a lot of free info on their site that provides help in navigating the medical quagmire too. Missteps can be problematic.
Quoting you: "Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?"
Your question deserves a serious answer. The short answer is NO.
I am neither a medical doctor nor aviation attorney, so I would like to refer you to the EAA www.sportpilot.org web site where their FAQ section seems to provide direct answers to your question. Please go to the site and search the FAQ for “special issuance” as I have. Note only questions appear and you must click on the question text to view the answer. I know that you will be pleasantly surprised.
Specifically, look at:
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=121
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=136
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=493
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=133
Keep in mind that as an operator of Light Sport Aircraft, that we must “Not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe manner.” This is somewhat open to interpretation. If you feel fit and safe to fly, I see no barriers. Good Luck!
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
_________________
Jerry King |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dthomas773(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
I'm borderline high blood pressure. Normally I'm well within limits but occasionally it spikes to higher than FAA allows.
The thing to do is find a friendly Flight Physical Guy. I have one. What I did was told him my concern and asked not for a Flight Physical but just a regular annual Physical Exam. No forms were filled out, I passed the standards of a Flight Physical we then proceeded with the paper work and I'm good for 2 more years.
Dennis Thomas
RV9 N164DV
580 hours
Do Not Archive
From: "kerrjohna(at)comcast.net" <kerrjohna(at)comcast.net>
To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 12:27:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: RV-9 as LSA
p {margin:0;}
My personal experience, though narrow in scope, is that the FAA is slow to "Deny" a medical. On the other hand they are quick to ask for further information or tests which allows an individual the opportunity to reevaluate their position. Consideration might be given for buying into AOPA's medical support plan for a more complete understanding of how FAA medical review works.
Once a formal Denial is recieved, is LSA not removed as an option?
John Kerr
Arterial Stent, Type 2 Diabedes, Flying on Special Issuance Medical Certificate.
Kitfox, RV9, Hatz Classic
---
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Guest
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
Jerry, thanks for the references. Printed out, they will be a resource for my medical file.
The cited FAQ's still still seem to point to the issue that someone with a formal denial is not currently eligible to fly under LSA rules. Am I misunderstanding something?
John
---
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:30 pm Post subject: RV-9 as LSA |
|
|
FWIW, my impression from the articles is that it's getting easier to get the waiver when you re-apply, & once you *do* get the Medical back, then you're good to go as long as you have a driver's license as long as you never take another Medical.
Charlie
On 3/30/2011 10:34 AM, kerrjohna(at)comcast.net (kerrjohna(at)comcast.net) wrote: [quote] p { margin: 0; }
Jerry, thanks for the references. Printed out, they will be a resource for my medical file.
The cited FAQ's still still seem to point to the issue that someone with a formal denial is not currently eligible to fly under LSA rules. Am I misunderstanding something?
John
---
| | - The Matronics RV9-List Email Forum - | | | Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV9-List |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
|
Get Email Distribution Too!
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
