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Tim Olson
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 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV- |
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This weekend I decided to install all my new 3 tires I bought
last fall, since I'm going to perhaps be landing on not the
most improved runways shortly. My nose tire is at basically
700 hours. My mains I've just installed my 3rd set at
basically 700 hours. The Desser 15/6.00-6 High Performance
Retreads really did well for me...they had plenty of beef left
to them and would have lasted dramatically longer than the
ones that came with the kit. The rubber is just plain better,
from the sounds of it. All 3 tires that I just replaced could
have gone another 50-100 hours probably, and I would have
just kept using them if I weren't going out of the US and I
just can't risk not having easy tire access.
My complication came with the nosewheel.
As many people already know, the NW501.25 that comes with
the kit isn't meant for the tire/tube that we use. The proper
wheel is NW511.25, and if you haven't installed yours
yet, you should just return your NW501.25, and buy a new
one from Matco, or at least contact them for a swap.
Here is my old write-up on the subject.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090120/index.html
So when I went to replace the nose wheel, I installed a new
tire, and leakguard tube. Whereas before, my stem cleared
plenty good, even with a valve cap on it, it now interfered
by AT LEAST as much as it had cleared before...at least
1/8 to 3/16". I tried bending the stem a little, but after
2 attempts, I broke the stem...$50 down the toilet. I was
cursing the whole time, as I finally experienced what many
other people already had.
I continued on by installing my old tube, which fit ok,
and has clearance again. This got me even more confused,
but there was a difference...my stem had a joggle on it on
the old tube.
So today, I said screw this, and ordered an entire new
nosewheel assembly from Matco, and a new tube. But in
talking with them, I learned something that we haven't really
discussed before...the big "new" part of this whole ordeal...
there are apparently 2 different types of tubes...one is
by Desser, and the other is some other company...I can't
remember the name but it rang a bell...maybe because it
came with the kit.
The difference is the joggle....the desser stem is straight,
and the other stem has the joggle...and that makes all
the difference in the world. Yes, the stupid NW501.25 style
rim should have never been sold with the kit in the first place,
but, knowing there were 2 different tubes makes me understand
why this wasn't a universal problem among us.
So, with the new NW511.25 wheel and tube, and a new 5.00x5
tire, I'm probably good until 1500 hours. Anyone want to buy
a NW501.25 real cheap? I should melt it down and send it
to Vans.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 2/12/2009 11:57 AM, pascal wrote:
[quote]
Although one may argue that the cap is not necessary, with my finishing
kit and following the instructions to a "t" there is no way I would have
been able to work a solution to allow me to keep a cap on the valve. I
had close to 1/8th overlap with the cap and 1/16th without, even moving
spacers and such would not have worked for me.
I simply want to let many know that in this case what may not work for
me or Tim may or may not work for someone else. Given the chance get the
right tool for the job, in this case the right rim, you can do what I
did and see if it's going to impact you and if it does replace it or you
can just do as many have said, tell Van's to keep the "wrong" rim and
order the right one directly either Grove or Matco.
I ended up ordering a new rim with the axle, I could have tested the new
axle and seen if that solved the gap issue before possibly needing to
replace the rim but I'm okay with having replaced it with the "right"
piece.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:43 AM
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>
> If you have a Matco nosewheel axle for them, you shouldn't have
> a problem running a valve cap on the stem, regardless of the wheel
> you use. With the "right" wheel you'll have tons of clearance,
> with the "wrong" wheel it'll still work fine. Just note that
> I've had all versions of axles/spacers from Van's, And the
> Matco Axle setup, and I've always had the "wrong" wheel, and
> I STILL have always been able to always run a valve cap. I
> just didn't have as much clearance in the past as I do now, now
> that I have the Matco Axle setup. For that matter, even if
> something weren't yet perfect, it could be fixed easily by
> shaving a 1/16" off of the spacer on one side of the
> axle, and adding a large flat washer on the other side.
> But I hesitate to even say that because that's going to an
> extreme that is probably way unnecessary.
>
> Also, if you order the grove nosewheel, I don't think you want
> the Matco axle assy, from what it sounds like...although I've
> never seen a grove axle assembly picture.
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>> OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both
>> the RV7A and the RV10. Here’s my question, does that mean I still
>> have to order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned
>> valve stem cap? If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED
>> the Matco nosewheel axle assy? Call me confused…
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
>> *To:* Rv
>> *Subject:* Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a
>> point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>>
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> Oh so close
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>> *Subject*: RE: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>
>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
>> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know
>> it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the
>> valve stem cap on...is this = correct.=A0
>>
>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
>> work with the SS axle???
>>
>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making
>> thing complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>>
>> What else am I miss= ing?
>>
>> John
>>
>> > From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net
>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>> >
>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal" <=3Bpascal(at)rv10builder.net>
>> >
>> > yep!<= br>>
>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>> > To: <=3Brv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>> write-upMatco
>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>> >
>> >>
>> >> <=3Brvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
>> >>
>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>> >>
>> >>= michael
>> >>
>> >> --
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rleffler
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Posts: 680
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-upMatco RV- |
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I guess ignorance is bliss......
I deleted the nose wheel front the kit and ordered new from Matco.
My original tube wouldn't hold air, so I just ordered a new one from Dresser.
I am certainly appreciative to those whose trials and tribulations have made my build easier.
The list is way to long to mention names, but thanks to all that share their lessons learned!!
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
[quote]
This weekend I decided to install all my new 3 tires I bought
last fall, since I'm going to perhaps be landing on not the
most improved runways shortly. My nose tire is at basically
700 hours. My mains I've just installed my 3rd set at
basically 700 hours. The Desser 15/6.00-6 High Performance
Retreads really did well for me...they had plenty of beef left
to them and would have lasted dramatically longer than the
ones that came with the kit. The rubber is just plain better,
from the sounds of it. All 3 tires that I just replaced could
have gone another 50-100 hours probably, and I would have
just kept using them if I weren't going out of the US and I
just can't risk not having easy tire access.
My complication came with the nosewheel.
As many people already know, the NW501.25 that comes with
the kit isn't meant for the tire/tube that we use. The proper
wheel is NW511.25, and if you haven't installed yours
yet, you should just return your NW501.25, and buy a new
one from Matco, or at least contact them for a swap.
Here is my old write-up on the subject.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090120/index.html
So when I went to replace the nose wheel, I installed a new
tire, and leakguard tube. Whereas before, my stem cleared
plenty good, even with a valve cap on it, it now interfered
by AT LEAST as much as it had cleared before...at least
1/8 to 3/16". I tried bending the stem a little, but after
2 attempts, I broke the stem...$50 down the toilet. I was
cursing the whole time, as I finally experienced what many
other people already had.
I continued on by installing my old tube, which fit ok,
and has clearance again. This got me even more confused,
but there was a difference...my stem had a joggle on it on
the old tube.
So today, I said screw this, and ordered an entire new
nosewheel assembly from Matco, and a new tube. But in
talking with them, I learned something that we haven't really
discussed before...the big "new" part of this whole ordeal...
there are apparently 2 different types of tubes...one is
by Desser, and the other is some other company...I can't
remember the name but it rang a bell...maybe because it
came with the kit.
The difference is the joggle....the desser stem is straight,
and the other stem has the joggle...and that makes all
the difference in the world. Yes, the stupid NW501.25 style
rim should have never been sold with the kit in the first place,
but, knowing there were 2 different tubes makes me understand
why this wasn't a universal problem among us.
So, with the new NW511.25 wheel and tube, and a new 5.00x5
tire, I'm probably good until 1500 hours. Anyone want to buy
a NW501.25 real cheap? I should melt it down and send it
to Vans.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 2/12/2009 11:57 AM, pascal wrote:
>
>
> Although one may argue that the cap is not necessary, with my finishing
> kit and following the instructions to a "t" there is no way I would have
> been able to work a solution to allow me to keep a cap on the valve. I
> had close to 1/8th overlap with the cap and 1/16th without, even moving
> spacers and such would not have worked for me.
> I simply want to let many know that in this case what may not work for
> me or Tim may or may not work for someone else. Given the chance get the
> right tool for the job, in this case the right rim, you can do what I
> did and see if it's going to impact you and if it does replace it or you
> can just do as many have said, tell Van's to keep the "wrong" rim and
> order the right one directly either Grove or Matco.
> I ended up ordering a new rim with the axle, I could have tested the new
> axle and seen if that solved the gap issue before possibly needing to
> replace the rim but I'm okay with having replaced it with the "right"
> piece.
> Pascal
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 8:43 AM
> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>
>>
>>
>> If you have a Matco nosewheel axle for them, you shouldn't have
>> a problem running a valve cap on the stem, regardless of the wheel
>> you use. With the "right" wheel you'll have tons of clearance,
>> with the "wrong" wheel it'll still work fine. Just note that
>> I've had all versions of axles/spacers from Van's, And the
>> Matco Axle setup, and I've always had the "wrong" wheel, and
>> I STILL have always been able to always run a valve cap. I
>> just didn't have as much clearance in the past as I do now, now
>> that I have the Matco Axle setup. For that matter, even if
>> something weren't yet perfect, it could be fixed easily by
>> shaving a 1/16" off of the spacer on one side of the
>> axle, and adding a large flat washer on the other side.
>> But I hesitate to even say that because that's going to an
>> extreme that is probably way unnecessary.
>>
>> Also, if you order the grove nosewheel, I don't think you want
>> the Matco axle assy, from what it sounds like...although I've
>> never seen a grove axle assembly picture.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Bob and Karen Brown wrote:
>>> OK, earlier this week, I ordered the Matco nosewheel axle for both
>>> the RV7A and the RV10. Here’s my question, does that mean I still
>>> have to order the Grove nosewheel if I want to put on the darned
>>> valve stem cap? If I order just the Grove nosewheel, do I still NEED
>>> the Matco nosewheel axle assy? Call me confused…
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
>>> *ricksked(at)embarqmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:20 PM
>>> *To:* Rv
>>> *Subject:* Re: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>
>>> FWIW, as a late post on my part, I bought the Grove wheel and
>>> axel...only thing I can say is it's really nice to have a complete
>>> engineered WORKING assembly with no valve stem, bearing preload or
>>> spacers to deal with....I hope that this is the final answer to what
>>> equates to a very simple engineering solution...the nose wheel never
>>> should have generated this much trouble...I knew there would be a
>>> point in my life I would regret not getting my P.E. Stamp...
>>>
>>> Rick Sked
>>> 40185
>>> Oh so close
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From*: John Gonzalez
>>> *Date*: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:49:50 -0800
>>> *To*: RV 10 group<rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>>> *Subject*: RE: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement write-up
>>>
>>> Okay. I am about to put the nose whell on the plane=2C but I am
>>> ordering th= e SS axle. If I stick with the current wheel=2C I know
>>> it will work with th= e SS axle=2C but i will not be able to put the
>>> valve stem cap on...is this = correct.=A0
>>>
>>> If I call Matco and ask for the other half o= f the rim=2C will it
>>> work with the SS axle???
>>>
>>> I am= inclined to leaving the valve cover off. Talk about making
>>> thing complicat= ed...Good grief Charlie Brown!
>>>
>>> What else am I miss= ing?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> > From: pascal(at)rv10builder.net
>>> > To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>> > Subject: Re: Matco RV-10 Nos= ewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement wri= te-up
>>> > Date: Wed=2C 11 Feb 2009 18:34:36 -0800
>>> >
>>> > --> RV10-List= message posted by: "pascal" <=3Bpascal(at)rv10builder.net>
>>> >
>>> > yep!<= br>>
>>> > WHLNW511.25=2C just in case
>>> >
>>> > P
>>> >
>>> > ------------= --------------------------------------
>>> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Saus= en)" <=3Brvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C February 11=2C 200= 9 5:39 PM
>>> > To: <=3Brv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>>> > Subject: RE: RV10-Li= st: Matco RV-10 Nosewheel Axle replacement
>>> write-upMatco
>>> > RV-10 Nosewh= eel Axle replacement write-up
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> <=3Brvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
>>> >>
>>> >= > Don't recall off hand but they know as soon as you say RV-10.
>>> >>
>>> >>= michael
>>> >>
>>> >> --
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