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Matt Dralle
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Joined: 08 Nov 2005
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Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: RV-8 Insurance...

I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon).  The quotes from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than the EAA's this year.  But here was the shocker.  Avemco's quote was 2.3 times higher than the AOPA's quote!  I called Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't done something wrong.  It was right.  That's just crazy.  Apparently Avemco doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.  



Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.

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Matt Dralle

RV-8 #82880 N998RV

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Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...

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Matt Dralle
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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: RV-8 Insurance...

Yeah, you can't beat EAA/Falcon for the first year because they will cover the Test Flight and the First Ten Hours.  Avemco made a point of the fact that they didn't cover either.  Okay, I get that, but a year later and with 153 hours on the RV-8, 153 hours in my logbook in type, and with no incidents, I would have expected a significant drop.  Falcon only came down $100 from last year.  Avemco when UP by $2k.

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Matt Dralle

RV-8 #82880 N998RV

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log

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Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...

At 03:50 AM 3/19/2011  Saturday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Matt,

 

I had a similar experience  . . . when I asked the agent she got kind of snippy with me and told me thatâ€™s what they needed to cover their expenses?  Not when everyone else can do it for less!

 

Mineâ€™s for first flight and in type experience becomes an issue and Avemco had the most liberal restrictions there follow by EAA.  Iâ€™m waiting on some paperwork and the airworthiness inspection . . . I believe Iâ€™m going to go with EAA (Falcon).

 

Regards,

Bob Christensen – N83RC . . . still waiting!

 

From: <mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com>Matt Dralle 

Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:53 PM

To: <mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com>rv-list(at)matronics.com ; <mailto:rv8-list(at)matronics.com>rv8-list(at)matronics.com ; <mailto:rv7-list(at)matronics.com>rv7-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: RV-8 Insurance...

 


I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon).  The quotes from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than the EAA's this year.  But here was the shocker.  Avemco's quote was 2.3 times higher than the AOPA's quote!  I called Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't done something wrong.  It was right.  That's just crazy.  Apparently Avemco doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.  



Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.

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Matt Dralle

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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: RV-8 Insurance...

Welcome to the world of Aviation Insurance, where nothing makes any sense.......

  

 Jim Brown



 

   From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com; rv7-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 1:18:58 PM

Subject: Re: RV-8 Insurance...



--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>



Yeah, you can't beat EAA/Falcon for the first year because they will cover the Test Flight and the First Ten Hours.  Avemco made a point of the fact that they didn't cover either.  Okay, I get that, but a year later and with 153 hours on the RV-8, 153 hours in my logbook in type, and with no incidents, I would have expected a significant drop.  Falcon only came down $100 from last  year.  Avemco when UP by $2k.

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Matt Dralle

RV-8 #82880 N998RV

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...

At 03:50 AM 3/19/2011  Saturday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Matt,

 

I had a similar experience  . . . when I asked the agent she got kind of snippy with me and told me thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s what they needed to cover their expenses?  Not when everyone else can do it for less!

 

MineÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s for first flight and in type experience becomes an issue and Avemco had the most liberal restrictions there follow by EAA.  IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m waiting on some paperwork and the airworthiness inspection . . . I believe IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m going to go with EAA (Falcon).

 

Regards,

Bob Christensen â€“ N83RC . . . still waiting!

 

From:  <mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>Matt Dralle 

Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:53 PM

To: <mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)>rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com) ; <mailto:rv8-list(at)matronics.com (rv8-list(at)matronics.com)>rv8-list(at)matronics.com (rv8-list(at)matronics.com) ; <mailto:rv7-list(at)matronics.com (rv7-list(at)matronics.com)>rv7-list(at)matronics.com (rv7-list(at)matronics.com) 

Subject: RV8-List: RV-8 Insurance...

 

--> RV8-List message posted by: Matt  Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>

I've been shopping for a new year of insurance on the RV-8 (current policy is up on 3/20) and got quotes from Avemco, AOPA, and the EAA (Falcon).  The quotes from the AOPA and EAA were close, although the AOPA came in $500 cheaper than the EAA's this year.  But here was the shocker.  Avemco's quote was 2.3 times higher than the AOPA's quote!  I called Avemco to make sure that they just hadn't done something wrong.  It was right.  That's just crazy.  Apparently Avemco doesn't really want to write Experimental polices.  



Anyway, thought I'd share my experiences.

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Matt Dralle


	


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Matt Dralle
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Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:59 pm Post subject: RV-8 Insurance...

Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.  Can you guess which one I went with?



$1m/$100k Liability

$5000-$10000 Medical

$0 Deductible

$150k Hull Ground/Air



153 Hours, Aircraft

153 Hours in Type, Pilot

450 Hours Total, Pilot

242 Hours TW, Pilot



        Avemco:                 $5811

        EAA/Falcon:             $2975 ($3075 last year included Test & 1st 10 hours)

        NationAir/Chartis       $2888

        AOPA/AIG                $2475

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Matt Dralle

RV-8 #82880 N998RV

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...

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Matt Dralle
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Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: RV-8 Insurance...

Just to follow up on the insurance information I posted, I got an email from EAA/Falcon this morning indicating that they had quoted this year's policy based on last year's flight time numbers (basically 0).  They re-quoted on my current hours (153 TTSN) and their quote came more into line at $2490.00.  I just wanted to set the record straight.



Also, the AOPA coverage for $2475 is really with USAIG (United States Aviation Insurance Group), which is not the bailout "AIG" (American International Group).  At least I don't think so.  Here are their respective web sites:



United Status Aviation Insurance Group



        http://www.usau.com/usau.nsf/doc/index



American International Group



        http://www.aigcorporate.com/index.html



FYI

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Matt Dralle

RV-8 #82880 N998RV

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 160+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...



 	  Quote: 	
		  



Here's this year's Insurance Quotes along with the coverage details on my RV-8.  Can you guess which one I went with?



$1m/$100k Liability

$5000-$10000 Medical

$0 Deductible

$150k Hull Ground/Air



153 Hours, Aircraft

153 Hours in Type, Pilot

450 Hours Total, Pilot

242 Hours TW, Pilot



        Avemco:                 $5811

        EAA/Falcon:             $2975 ($3075 last year + Test & 1st 10 hours)

        NationAir/Chartis       $2888

        AOPA/AIG                $2475

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