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 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/24/11 |
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Hello Barry,
Thank you for the thoughtful and cordial reply to my post. It is replies like yours that make forums like this one so enlightening, friendly and filled with such goodwill towards other pilots, mechanics and builders. I, for one, recognize that the members of this forum are all very lucky, nay, truly blessed to have someone with your boundless aviation knowledge in our midst, especially someone who, by the mere use of their own words, has clearly demonstrated themselves to be more knowledgeable than the largest and most experienced Rotax dealer in the USA. I especially appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to post such an amicable, learned reply to a know-nothing like me. I hope you wear a name tag when you go places so if on some rare occasion I ever encounter you I will have the opportunity to bow in your presence.
Would you please call Dean Vogel at Lockwood Aviation at 863-655-5100? Dean is Lockwood's principle instructor and could obviously really use a dose of your worldly guidance.
Warm regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E - Flying
Jabiru 3300
Ximango N135ZS
Rotax 912s (certified)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/24/11 |
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Well said !
Martin
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:28 PM, John Lawton <wingdingy(at)gmail.com (wingdingy(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] >>>>>>>Oh BULL-DINKEY!<<<<<<<
Hello Barry,
Thank you for the thoughtful and cordial reply to my post. It is replies like yours that make forums like this one so enlightening, friendly and filled with such goodwill towards other pilots, mechanics and builders. I, for one, recognize that the members of this forum are all very lucky, nay, truly blessed to have someone with your boundless aviation knowledge in our midst, especially someone who, by the mere use of their own words, has clearly demonstrated themselves to be more knowledgeable than the largest and most experienced Rotax dealer in the USA. I especially appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to post such an amicable, learned reply to a know-nothing like me. I hope you wear a name tag when you go places so if on some rare occasion I ever encounter you I will have the opportunity to bow in your presence.
Would you please call Dean Vogel at Lockwood Aviation at [url=tel:863-655-5100]863-655-5100[/url]? Dean is Lockwood's principle instructor and could obviously really use a dose of your worldly guidance.
Warm regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E - Flying
Jabiru 3300
Ximango N135ZS
Rotax 912s (certified)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/24/11 |
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Hello John:
Your sarcasm totally wasted on me, it is a total waist of time. It would
better be spent to THINK of how ridiculous the idea of carbon is in securing
an oil filter. And do some research into the mechanical engineering and
chemical fields in which this topic extends.
Some simple question that should be asked:
Gee John, how much carbon is required, or how much is too much for this
bonding process to take effect (give me Min & Max)?
Or gee John, how much HEAT is required for the carbon to bond to BOTH the
rubber and aluminum sealing face?
Or gee John, what size should the carbon particles be - - Ya know too big
and oil may leak right around them, or too small and the bonding process may
not take place at all!
Or gee John, how many parts per million are required (again give me Min &
Max).
Or gee John, what should the RMS finish of the 'O' Ring be and the sealing
surface be?
Or gee John, how much carbon SHOULD my engine produce – what if I do not
have blow-by and my engine does not produce carbon?
Do you get the engineering idea? To consider the ridiculousness of the idea
that carbon has to be used in sealing … Is a total bunch of BULL-DINKY!
Now, unlike you, I'm NOT picking on you. You just happened to be the last
straw in this ridiculous thread with NO scientific proof. It strained all
basic engineering logic - Not even Rocket Science engineering logic.
I and many do-it-yourself'ers use oil on the 'O' rings. Use OLD oil if you
wish, use NEW oil... I don't care, but whomever starter this BULL-DINKY
GARBAGE of carbon aiding is sealing should have their have their ears
checked for carbon. Because it is sealing off common sense, basic logic and
centuries of engineering from entering their brain.
And again John, I'm not singling you out. What I REALLY HATE is the speed
at which the Internet spreads oral deification. The unfortunate part is
that innocent people come to forums to gain REAL knowledge because of the
need and the desire for real knowledge. And they unknowingly get
inundated with BULL-DINKY. They are not engineers, they are just honest and
interested people, with a interest and love of flying. They want and NEED
REAL answers. Too bad, there is not an origination of Common Sense Police.
Yet we do have all these self-appointed PC Police. Bet their Mommy thought
they never did anything wrong.
I am not going to get Dean Vogel involved. If he wishes to post that is OK
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aerobiz1(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: JabiruEngine-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/24/11 |
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Barry,
Whilst I agree completely with you on the internet spreading of oral deification and that many people seeking knowledge are led up the garden path by well meaning but factually incorrect postings, that does not make it right to attack people. In this case, John. I think enough electrons have been inconvenienced in unnecessary banter, so let's move on guys......
Martin
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:28 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive(at)gmail.com (flyadive(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Hello John:
Your sarcasm totally wasted on me, it is a total waist of time. It would better be spent to THINK of how ridiculous the idea of carbon is in securing an oil filter. And do some research into the mechanical engineering and chemical fields in which this topic extends.
Some simple question that should be asked:
Gee John, how much carbon is required, or how much is too much for this bonding process to take effect (give me Min & Max)?
Or gee John, how much HEAT is required for the carbon to bond to BOTH the rubber and aluminum sealing face?
Or gee John, what size should the carbon particles be - - Ya know too big and oil may leak right around them, or too small and the bonding process may not take place at all!
Or gee John, how many parts per million are required (again give me Min & Max).
Or gee John, what should the RMS finish of the 'O' Ring be and the sealing surface be?
Or gee John, how much carbon SHOULD my engine produce – what if I do not have blow-by and my engine does not produce carbon?
Do you get the engineering idea? To consider the ridiculousness of the idea that carbon has to be used in sealing … Is a total bunch of BULL-DINKY!
Now, unlike you, I'm NOT picking on you. You just happened to be the last straw in this ridiculous thread with NO scientific proof. It strained all basic engineering logic - Not even Rocket Science engineering logic.
I and many do-it-yourself'ers use oil on the 'O' rings. Use OLD oil if you wish, use NEW oil... I don't care, but whomever starter this BULL-DINKY GARBAGE of carbon aiding is sealing should have their have their ears checked for carbon. Because it is sealing off common sense, basic logic and centuries of engineering from entering their brain.
And again John, I'm not singling you out. What I REALLY HATE is the speed at which the Internet spreads oral deification. The unfortunate part is that innocent people come to forums to gain REAL knowledge because of the need and the desire for real knowledge. And they unknowingly get inundated with BULL-DINKY. They are not engineers, they are just honest and interested people, with a interest and love of flying. They want and NEED REAL answers. Too bad, there is not an origination of Common Sense Police. Yet we do have all these self-appointed PC Police. Bet their Mommy thought they never did anything wrong.
I am not going to get Dean Vogel involved. If he wishes to post that is OK.
So, let me Politically Incorrect, someone has to tell the truth and know what they are talking about. Ban the Donkey-Dust!
Name Tag firmly affixed.
Barry
Mechanical Engineer
Electrical Engineer
Presidential Radio Maintenance Air Force One
Technical Coatings Engineer – International Space Station
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:28 AM, John Lawton <wingdingy(at)gmail.com (wingdingy(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | >>>>>>>Oh BULL-DINKEY!<<<<<<<
Hello Barry,
Thank you for the thoughtful and cordial reply to my post. It is replies like yours that make forums like this one so enlightening, friendly and filled with such goodwill towards other pilots, mechanics and builders. I, for one, recognize that the members of this forum are all very lucky, nay, truly blessed to have someone with your boundless aviation knowledge in our midst, especially someone who, by the mere use of their own words, has clearly demonstrated themselves to be more knowledgeable than the largest and most experienced Rotax dealer in the USA. I especially appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to post such an amicable, learned reply to a know-nothing like me. I hope you wear a name tag when you go places so if on some rare occasion I ever encounter you I will have the opportunity to bow in your presence.
Would you please call Dean Vogel at Lockwood Aviation at [url=tel:863-655-5100]863-655-5100[/url]? Dean is Lockwood's principle instructor and could obviously really use a dose of your worldly guidance.
Warm regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Europa N245E - Flying
Jabiru 3300
Ximango N135ZS
Rotax 912s (certified)
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