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Jim Feldmann

Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 54
Location: Burbank, CA

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:11 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in Scarborough, Ontario Canada.  The project is complete up to, but not including, the covering stage.  Almost all of the assembly so far was done in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB.  I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation.  



I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or New York?) who could check it out for me.  Of course I would pay a reasonable fee plus all expenses.



Any recommendations?



Jim Feldmann

Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure.

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

I would be very careful about this purchase.  When you try to register the aircraft you will be required to show that you built the majority (the 50% thing) of the aircraft.  If it only needs covering, I don't think this qualfies.  Check it out with the local FAA folks who will inspect the completed airplane.  Otherwise you may be buying some very expensive yard art. 

   Mike 

   Model II N490MC 



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Jim Feldmann

Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 54
Location: Burbank, CA

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Pre-purchase inspection

Mike:



According to the FAA, I only have to show that 51% of the airplane was built by amateurs.  Not that I personally built 51% of it.  The limitation is that since I personally didn't build the majority of the airplane, I won't be able to get an inspection authorization for it.



Jim

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Jim Feldmann
Kitfox IV Speedster / 912 lost to prop failure
Building a Kitfox 5 Voyager

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:53 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

I do not believe that is correct.  As long as the aircraft has not been registered  before you should be good finishing it off.  The 51% part can be spread out over mult owners, partners or friends volunteering to help as long as they are not hired help.  I would be sure to get any pictures of the build and the builders log if they are available.  You can check that with the EAA just to be sure I am not mistaken.  I believe they could also point you toward a qualified person to inspect the project.   

   

   

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   I would be very careful about this purchase.  When you try to register the aircraft you will be required to show that you built the majority (the 50% thing) of the aircraft.  If it only needs covering, I don't think this qualfies.  Check it out with the local FAA folks who will inspect the completed airplane.  Otherwise you may be buying some very expensive yard art.  

   Mike  

   Model II N490MC  



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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

Jim,

I think the advice I heard to contact the EAA is excellent advise, if you

are a member they will provide allot of help, if you are not, join for $40.

You are correct about the 51% rule. As for the question on the Repairmans

Certificate, EAA can advise on that as well, they are normally not awarded

until the FAA Inspection, at that time you could request it. EAA will also

be able to help you with required documents, someone who could inspect and

border transfer concerns.



Lloyd Cudnohufsky

Model 5 Outback 912ul IVO IFA

Northern Mi.



  



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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

On 4/2/2011 2:11 PM, Jim Feldmann wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   The project is complete up to, but not including, the covering stage.  Almost all of the assembly so far was done in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an E-AB.  I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation.

    

Jim,
	


     Would you be interested in a lot of extraneous advice and caution? 

Or would you prefer to just have your question answered? Of course I'd 

love to go do the inspection, but coming from San Diego that would 

probably be a little expensive for you. Lowell's in Central California 

and Mark's in Idaho, a little closer, but probably still farther than 

you'd want to pay. I'm concerned with your two statements above and what 

you intend to do with this airplane, but I'll stick with your original 

question for now.



Guy Buchanan

Ramona, CA

Kitfox IV-1200 / 592-C / Warp 3cs / 500 hrs. and grounded

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Guy Buchanan
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A glider pilot too.

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

A friend of mine bought an Avid Flyer from a widow that was covered and sprayed with the silver UV coats.  No firwall forward or instruments were completed though.  He didn't get any paperwork with the plane, but the widow did sign an afidavid attesting that she was the legal owner and able to transfer ownership to him.  He had no problem getting the plane registered EAB.  He was even able to get the repairman's certificate.  The FAA guy was going to turn him down, and then they got to talking about his other building experience and he ended up walking out the door with the repairman's cert. in his pocket.   If you built your other plane or did major work on it, don't forget to bring that up  durring the repairman's cert. interview.   You might get it also.  Take care,  Jim Chuk   Avid MK IV  (flying)  Kitfox 4 (building---might start the engine by Monday!!)  Northern Mn

 

 > From: 7suds(at)Chartermi.net

[quote] To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Pre-purchase inspection

 Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 19:10:58 -0500

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Lloyd & Lorrie Cudnohufsky" <7suds(at)chartermi.net>

 

 Jim,

 I think the advice I heard to contact the EAA is excellent advise, if you

 are a member they will provide allot of help, if you are not, join for $40.

 You are correct about the 51% rule. As for the question on the Repairmans

 Certificate, EAA can advise on that as well, they are normally not awarded

 until the FAA Inspection, at that time you could request it. EAA will also

 be able to help you with required documents, someone who could inspect and

 border transfer concerns.

 

 Lloyd Cudnohufsky

 Model 5 Outback 912ul IVO IFA

 Northern Mi.

 

 

 

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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: Pre-purchase inspection

Jim,



Lots of good advice.  I am finishing a Model IV started by another.  It was 

essentially as you describe the V you are interested in - ready for cover. 

I am submitting this observation.  The 90% rule is a real fact - 90% done 

and 90% to go, as we all say.  What I have done to my ready to cover project 

is run the wires for the lights in the wings and tail as well as the trim 

servo.  Covered  all and rib stitched all flying surfaces.  Fitted and 

modified the cowl and wingtips. Fabric coated, painted, masked and painted. 

Installed the panel and wiring.  Installed the fuel system and on and on and 

not done yet.   I fully expect to receive the Repairman Certificate as there 

is much more work during and after covering than preparing the various parts 

for covering.  I am also helping a friend with a V.  If you are concerned 

with the Repairman Certificate, I could suggest doing what he is doing.  put 

a couple of flat panel displays in your instrument panel.  That alone will 

add another 90% to your project   .



Lowell

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From: "Jim Feldmann" <feldesign(at)earthlink.net>

Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 2:11 PM

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Subject: Pre-purchase inspection



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 Although I live in Calif. I have placed a deposit on a Kitfox 5 project in 

 Scarborough, Ontario Canada.  The project is complete up to, but not 

 including, the covering stage.  Almost all of the assembly so far was done 

 in the US and I would be registering the completed aircraft here, as an 

 E-AB.  I am not an experienced homebuilder, so I am not confident in my 

 ability to evaluate the airplane, or the included documentation.



 I would like to find a Kitfox builder, preferably in the US (Michigan or 

 New York?) who could check it out for me.  Of course I would pay a 

 reasonable fee plus all expenses.



 Any recommendations?



 Jim Feldmann

 Kitfox IV Speedster, lost to prop failure.





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Jim Feldmann

Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 54
Location: Burbank, CA

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Pre-purchase inspection

Thank you all for the referrals and good advice.  I have hired a Kitfox builder/owner in New York to look the project and the paperwork over for me.

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