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Dennis Thate

Joined: 18 Nov 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

I have a  new Kolb Firestar II and am in need of some quality transition experience into this low inertia/ high drag configuration aircraft.

I'm looking for a experienced Kolb pilot with a KOLB MK 3 X-TRA  or KOLB MARK II ELSA (2 SEATER) for some flight instruction or even ride along experience. 

 I live in Southern Minnesota, and prefer someone within a 150 mile radius. But would travel farther if needed !

Thanks !

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rickofudall

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

Dennis, It's a shame you aren't just a few miles further south, okay a lot of miles further south. Although I did a round trip to Bimidji in 36 hours (and that included about 5 hours for sleep and two to load up the trailer), it's still a ways to southern Kansas from where you are. A 150 doing an approach at 50 with half flaps will get you close performance wise and the seat height is similar to a Firestar. If you want to simulate the steepest approach use full flaps and press a rudder pedal to the floor in a forward slip. If you hold 50 you'll have pretty much the same energy retention on round out. It's not perfect, but it will get you into the steep approach sight picture of a Kolb. Also, practice wheeling it on rather than trying for a full stall landing. 

 



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  I live in Southern Minnesota, and prefer someone within a 150 radius.

 

 

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Dennis Thate

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

Thanks Rick,



   I'm getting my BFR next week in a Cessna 150, I'll try just that.

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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

Dennis

  

 The Firestar is a hot rod and a 150 is a slug. The 150 will give you a good refresher in flying and that is good but it will not fly like a Firestar no matter what you do and that is a good thing. The only problem you will have after a BFR is in the landing. Just keep lots of power on during your approach and flair, you will be fine. The trick is to keep enough power on to make it land like a 150. Then very gradually start reducing power each time a bit more. Just just don't get too overconfident and chop the power before you are comfortable (maybe 20 plus landings) flying within a few inches of the ground before you flair. The general rule is you bend two sets of gear before you lean to land it correctly. It keeps Kolb in business. No seriously just keep some power on and it will flair sort of like a 150 then reduce power and it will settle in without bending anything. Also find a nice long GRASS runway.

   

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  I'm getting my BFR next week in a Cessna 150, I try just that.

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

Thanks Rick,



 ...for the added insight....you will never see me bend a landing gear.....Guaranteed !

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

I called Kolb when I wanted to learn to fly, they suggested time in a Kolb or a challenger.

I looked a Dpe on the web and was directed to light sport instructors, I found 3 within 200 miles that flew challengers.

I had no time in Kolbs before I flew my Firestar II and little time in an Aronca. The Challenger is OK but I like my Kolb far better in most ways.

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:45 am Post subject: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: Conventional Pilot needs transition experience

Larry, better re-read his post....  -you will never SEE him bend a landing gear.  That is, unless he invites you to the viewing.BB

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