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runwayrex(at)juno.com
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 Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: Matco / Cleveland Brakes |
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Malcolm and Ray,
I changed over from Matco to Cleveland in 2001, when I wore out my l=
arge skinned tires. As I looked for replacement tires, I thought of how =
poorly these Matcos worked and how happy fellow Kitfox guys were with th=
eir Clevelands. I was also aware that the large wheels that I had were n=
ot as round as they should be. I talked to Dave Morris at Skystar and he=
told me that those wheels did get bent easily when the factory installe=
d the skinned tires on them.
At that point, I ordered the Cleveland brakes along with six inch whe=
els, tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires from Wag Areo. Aircraft Spruce=
also carries them. I found the entire purchase to be fairly reasonable =
and was thrilled with the results! With the Matcos, I had to use a lot o=
f brake pedal pressure to hold the Fox during run-ups. With the Clevelan=
ds, there was a world of difference. The Cleveland wheels are round and =
the Air Hawk tires are still looking new to this day. I can't even see a=
ny appreciable wear on the brake pads. There's a total of 510 hours on t=
he plane now.
I went upstairs at the hangar Thursday night to search for those Matc=
o brakes and didn't come across them. I'm starting to think that after =
a week or so of storing all the old stuff and being so much happier with=
the new, that I pitched the tires, wheels and brakes as an assembly. =
I guess I'd make a good commercial for Cleveland! What matters to you=
two is that I guess I don't have the old Matcos, but I'll look again th=
is weekend and let you know if I saved the brakes for some reason. If I =
find them, I'll contact both of you and you can fight over them. Price? =
Close to nothing. =
Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA chapter 13 =
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<P>Malcolm and Ray,</P>
<P> I changed over from Matco to Cleveland in 2001, wh=
en I wore out my large skinned tires. As I looked for replacement t=
ires, I thought of how poorly these Matcos worked and how happy fellow K=
itfox guys were with their Clevelands. I was also aware that the large w=
heels that I had were not as round as they should be. I talked to Dave M=
orris at Skystar and he told me that those wheels did get bent easily wh=
en the factory installed the skinned tires on them.</P>
<P> At that point, I ordered the Cleveland brakes along with=
six inch wheels, tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires from Wag Are=
o. Aircraft Spruce also carries them. I found the entire purchase to be =
fairly reasonable and was thrilled with the results! With the Matcos, I =
had to use a lot of brake pedal pressure to hold the Fox during run-ups.=
With the Clevelands, there was a world of difference. The Clevelan=
d wheels are round and the Air Hawk tires are still looking new to this =
day. I can't even see any appreciable wear on the brake pads. There's a =
total of 510 hours on the plane now.</P>
<P> I went upstairs at the hangar Thursday night to search f=
or those Matco brakes and didn't come across them. I'm starting to think=
that after a week or so of storing all the old stuff&nb=
sp;and being so much happier with the new, that I pitched the tires, whe=
els and brakes as an assembly. </P>
<P> I guess I'd make a good commercial for Cleveland! What m=
atters to you two is that I guess I don't have the old Matcos, but I'll =
look again this weekend and let you know if I saved the brakes for some =
reason. If I find them, I'll contact both of you and you can fight over =
them. Price? Close to nothing. </P>
<P>Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA chapter 13 </P></BLOCKQUOTE></html>
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fordm2003(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: Matco / Cleveland Brakes |
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Rex,
Those cleveland brakes sound all kinds of nice. I will trouble shoot my matco a little more and then decide.
Have you ever found the brakes to be too sensitive? Is your plane a taildragger?
I've heard of some people mention that taildragger pilots might need to use a slight amount of brake during rollout (say left brake to help compinsate for a stiff right crosswind)
Would you feel that using the Cleveland brakes during a stiff cross wind landing would be too risky do the effectivness/touchiness of the brakes?
Thanks for the info!
Mike
Rexster <runwayrex(at)juno.com> wrote:
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Malcolm and Ray,
I changed over from Matco to Cleveland in 2001, when I wore out my l=
arge skinned tires. As I looked for replacement tires, I thought of how =
poorly these Matcos worked and how happy fellow Kitfox guys were with th=
eir Clevelands. I was also aware that the large wheels that I had were n=
ot as round as they should be. I talked to Dave Morris at Skystar and he=
told me that those wheels did get bent easily when the factory installe=
d the skinned tires on them.
At that point, I ordered the Cleveland brakes along with six inch whe=
els, tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires from Wag Areo. Aircraft Spruce=
also carries them. I found the entire purchase to be fairly reasonable =
and was thrilled with the results! With the Matcos, I had to use a lot o=
f brake pedal pressure to hold the Fox during run-ups. With the Clevelan=
ds, there was a world of difference. The Cleveland wheels are round and =
the Air Hawk tires are still looking new to this day. I can't even see a=
ny appreciable wear on the brake pads. There's a total of 510 hours on t=
he plane now.
I went upstairs at the hangar Thursday night to search for those Matc=
o brakes and didn't come across them. I'm starting to think that after =
a week or so of storing all the old stuff and being so much happier with=
the new, that I pitched the tires, wheels and brakes as an assembly. =
I guess I'd make a good commercial for Cleveland! What matters to you=
two is that I guess I don't have the old Matcos, but I'll look again th=
is weekend and let you know if I saved the brakes for some reason. If I =
find them, I'll contact both of you and you can fight over them. Price? =
Close to nothing. =
Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA chapter 13 =
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Malcolm and Ray,
I changed over from Matco to Cleveland in 2001, wh=
en I wore out my large skinned tires. As I looked for replacement t=
ires, I thought of how poorly these Matcos worked and how happy fellow K=
itfox guys were with their Clevelands. I was also aware that the large w=
heels that I had were not as round as they should be. I talked to Dave M=
orris at Skystar and he told me that those wheels did get bent easily wh=
en the factory installed the skinned tires on them.
At that point, I ordered the Cleveland brakes along with=
six inch wheels, tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires from Wag Are=
o. Aircraft Spruce also carries them. I found the entire purchase to be =
fairly reasonable and was thrilled with the results! With the Matcos, I =
had to use a lot of brake pedal pressure to hold the Fox during run-ups.=
With the Clevelands, there was a world of difference. The Clevelan=
d wheels are round and the Air Hawk tires are still looking new to this =
day. I can't even see any appreciable wear on the brake pads. There's a =
total of 510 hours on the plane now.
I went upstairs at the hangar Thursday night to search f=
or those Matco brakes and didn't come across them. I'm starting to think=
that after a week or so of storing all the old stuff&nb=
sp;and being so much happier with the new, that I pitched the tires, whe=
els and brakes as an assembly.
I guess I'd make a good commercial for Cleveland! What m=
atters to you two is that I guess I don't have the old Matcos, but I'll =
look again this weekend and let you know if I saved the brakes for some =
reason. If I find them, I'll contact both of you and you can fight over =
them. Price? Close to nothing.
Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA chapter 13
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runwayrex(at)juno.com
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: Matco / Cleveland Brakes |
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Mike,
The Clevelands aren't touchy at all. Never have they been too sensitiv=
e. Yes, I have a taildragger and no, I never use brakes during take off,=
rudder has always been plenty. I'm not the world's greatest pilot, so t=
ake my experience only for what it's all worth. I always land with my fe=
et on the rudders only. Once I've got the landing under control and star=
t breathing again, I slide my feet up to the brakes and turn the plane a=
round to back taxi. With the Matcos, I had to really push hard to break =
the back end loose. With the Clevelands, the amount of brake required is=
what I'd call perfect, not at all touchy, but not bending brake pedals =
either. Maybe, I should have saved these emails and sent them to Clevela=
nd for a kick back! =
Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA Chapter 13
=
-- Mike Ford <fordm2003(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Rex, =
Those cleveland brakes sound all kinds of nice. I will trouble shoot my=
matco a little more and then decide.
Have you ever found the brakes to be too sensitive? Is your plane a tai=
ldragger? =
I've heard of some people mention that taildragger pilots might need to =
use a slight amount of brake during rollout (say left brake to help comp=
insate for a stiff right crosswind)
Would you feel that using the Cleveland brakes during a stiff cross wind=
landing would be too risky do the effectivness/touchiness of the brakes=
?
Thanks for the info!
Mike
Rexster <runwayrex(at)juno.com> wrote:
Rexster" =
Malcolm and Ray,
I changed over from Matco to Cleveland in 2001, when I wore out my l=
arge skinned tires. As I looked for replacement tires, I thought of how =
poorly these Matcos worked and how happy fellow Kitfox guys were with th=
eir Clevelands. I was also aware that the large wheels that I had were n=
ot as round as they should be. I talked to Dave Morris at Skystar and he=
told me that those wheels did get bent easily when the factory installe=
d the skinned tires on them.
At that point, I ordered the Cleveland brakes along with six inch whe=
els, tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires from Wag Areo. Aircraft Spruce=
also carries them. I found the entire purchase to be fairly reasonable =
and was thrilled with the results! With the Matcos, I had to use a lot o=
f brake pedal pressure to hold the Fox during run-ups. With the Clevelan=
ds, there was a world of difference. The Cleveland wheels are round and =
the Air Hawk tires are still looking new to this day. I can't even see a=
ny appreciable wear on the brake pads. There's a total of 510 hours on t=
he plane now.
I went upstairs at the hangar Thursday night to search for those Matc=
o brakes and didn't come across them. I'm starting to think that after =
a week or so of storing all the old stuff and being so much happier with=
the new, that I pitched the tires, wheels and brakes as an assembly. =
I guess I'd make a good commercial for Cleveland! What matters to you=
two is that I guess I don't have the old Matcos, but I'll look again th=
is weekend and let you know if I saved the brakes for some reason. If I =
find them, I'll contact both of you and you can fight over them. Price? =
Close to nothing.
Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA chapter 13
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Malcolm and Ray,
I changed over from Matco to Cleveland in 2001, wh
en I wore out my large skinned tires. As I looked for replacement t
ires, I thought of how poorly these Matcos worked and how happy fellow K=
itfox guys were with their Clevelands. I was also aware that the large w=
heels that I had were not as round as they should be. I talked to Dave M=
orris at Skystar and he told me that those wheels did get bent easily wh=
en the factory installed the skinned tires on them.
At that point, I ordered the Cleveland brakes along with
six inch wheels, tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires from Wag Are
o. Aircraft Spruce also carries them. I found the entire purchase to be =
fairly reasonable and was thrilled with the results! With the Matcos, I =
had to use a lot of brake pedal pressure to hold the Fox during run-ups.=
With the Clevelands, there was a world of difference. The Clevelan
d wheels are round and the Air Hawk tires are still looking new to this =
day. I can't even see any appreciable wear on the brake pads. There's a =
total of 510 hours on the plane now.
I went upstairs at the hangar Thursday night to search f
or those Matco brakes and didn't come across them. I'm starting to think=
that after a week or so of storing all the old stuff&nb
sp;and being so much happier with the new, that I pitched the tires, whe=
els and brakes as an assembly. =
I guess I'd make a good commercial for Cleveland! What m
atters to you two is that I guess I don't have the old Matcos, but I'll =
look again this weekend and let you know if I saved the brakes for some =
reason. If I find them, I'll contact both of you and you can fight over =
them. Price? Close to nothing. =
Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA chapter 13 =
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<html><P>Mike,</P>
<P> The Clevelands aren't touchy at all. Never have they been too =
sensitive. Yes, I have a taildragger and no, I never use brakes during t=
ake off, rudder has always been plenty. I'm not the world's greatest pil=
ot, so take my experience only for what it's all worth. I always land wi=
th my feet on the rudders only. Once I've got the landing under control =
and start breathing again, I slide my feet up to the brakes and turn the=
plane around to back taxi. With the Matcos, I had to really push hard t=
o break the back end loose. With the Clevelands, the amount of brake req=
uired is what I'd call perfect, not at all touchy, but not bending brake=
pedals either. Maybe, I should have saved these emails and sent them to=
Cleveland for a kick back! </P>
<P>Rex Phelps / Michigan / EAA Chapter 13</P>
<P> <BR><BR>-- Mike Ford <fordm2003(at)yahoo.com>=
wrote:<BR>--> Kitfox-List message posted by=
: Mike Ford <fordm2003(at)yahoo.com><BR><BR>Rex, =
<BR><BR>Those cleveland brakes sound all =
kinds of nice. I will trouble shoot&=
nbsp;my matco a little more and then =
decide.<BR><BR>Have you ever found the brakes&n=
bsp;to be too sensitive? Is your pla=
ne a taildragger? <BR><BR>I've heard of&n=
bsp;some people mention that taildragger pilots=
might need to use a slight amount&nb=
sp;of brake during rollout (say left brake=
to help compinsate for a stiff right=
crosswind)<BR><BR>Would you feel that using&nb=
sp;the Cleveland brakes during a stiff cro=
ss wind landing would be too risky do=
the effectivness/touchiness of the brakes?<BR>=
<BR>Thanks for the info!<BR>Mike<BR><BR><BR><BR>Rexster&n=
bsp;<runwayrex(at)juno.com> wrote: --> Kitfox-List&=
nbsp;message posted by: "Rexster" <BR><BR> <=
BR><BR>Malcolm and Ray,<BR> I chan=
ged over from Matco to Cleveland in 2=
001, when I wore out my l<BR>arge =
skinned tires. As I looked for replacement=
tires, I thought of how <BR>poorly&nbs=
p;these Matcos worked and how happy fellow=
Kitfox guys were with th<BR>eir Clevel=
ands. I was also aware that the large=
wheels that I had were n<BR>ot as=
round as they should be. I talked&nb=
sp;to Dave Morris at Skystar and he<BR>=
told me that those wheels did get&nb=
sp;bent easily when the factory installe<BR>=
d the skinned tires on them.<BR> &nb=
sp;At that point, I ordered the Cleveland&=
nbsp;brakes along with six inch whe<BR>els,&=
nbsp;tires and new Mcreary Air Hawk tires&=
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carries them. I found the entire pur=
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<BR>ny appreciable wear on the brake pads.=
There's a total of 510 hours on =
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pstairs at the hangar Thursday night to&nb=
sp;search for those Matc<BR>o brakes and&nbs=
p;didn't come across them. I'm starting to=
think that after <BR>a week or&n=
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p;still looking new to this <BR>day. I&=
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bsp;of 510 hours on the plane now.<BR><BR>=
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