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edgraydallas

Joined: 13 Jun 2008
Posts: 74
Location: Dallas, Tx

Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: landing rpm

I don’t get the difficulty with rpms while landing.  I stay at 2500 on final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I can plop on the first 100 feet of runway.  If flaring too high, try wheel landings for a while.  Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until almost to the turnoff with about 2800 rpm.  The Fox makes great wheelies and you can see where you are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on the brakes.  Comments?  

   

PS.  I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed.  ONE FOR SLOW AND ONE FOR GO.  

   

Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas  

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: landing rpm

Ed, Thanks for info. My problem, I believe has been pulling stick back too soon and relaunching. I have been negligent in the past  about pulling stick all the way back and am over compensating.

  

 Pat Reilly 

 On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Ed Gray <egraylaw(at)swbell.net (egraylaw(at)swbell.net)> wrote:

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I don’t get the difficulty with rpms while landing.  I stay at 2500 on final and the prop seems to be producing drag, since I can plop on the first 100 feet of runway.  If flaring too high, try wheel landings for a while.  Just fly it onto the ground and keep the tail up until almost to the turnoff with about 2800 rpm.  The Fox makes great wheelies and you can see where you are going-just keep that stick forward and easy on the brakes.  Comments?  

  

PS.  I am about 2 months from completion of my Lancair 360 and waiting for my Viking (Honda) for the Kitfox 4 in the carshed.  ONE FOR SLOW AND ONE FOR GO.  

  

Ed Gray K2 582 GSC Dallas

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Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuild

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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: landing rpm

Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back to approach speed.  Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern will yield improved landings.  Last year, prompted by this discussion I flew final at 50mph ASI (at) 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position until touch down.  There was no float just a solid arrival.  Using a slight amount of flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out. 

  

Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching down at less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the valve stems as alluded to in another thread.  20 degrees flaps does provide increased adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship. 

  

AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs. 

  

John Kerr

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: landing rpm

John, I am approaching at 60 and have planning on slowing it down to 50.

Thanks.



Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rwbuilt

Rockford, IL



On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, <kerrjohna(at)comcast.net> wrote:



[quote]  Frequently in the past, difficulty in landing has been traced back to

 approach speed.  Using the recommended 1.3 x stall speed in the pattern will

 yield improved landings.  Last year, prompted by this discussion I flew

 final at 50mph ASI (at) 2000 rpm and the stick held firmly in position until

 touch down.  There was no float just a solid arrival.  Using a slight amount

 of flair generates a greased landing with ~200 feet roll out.



 Since adding the VG's last month I have been practicing really slow

 landings at idle with full 20 degree flaps and the plane is touching down at

 less than 40 ASI and so gently there is no chance of spinning off the valve

 stems as alluded to in another thread.  20 degrees flaps does provide

 increased adverse yaw and therefore opportunities to improve airmanship.



 AOPA has a video out entitled Ups and Downs where in the chronical the

 problems of too fast approaches and too slow take offs.



 John Kerr



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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:59 am Post subject: landing rpm

It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower speed an easier task.  You will note that the 60 mph approach is not much different than the adjoining thread this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV with 618 engine. 

  

John Kerr

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pchristensen10(at)austin.
Guest

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: landing rpm

Sure did check the bearings John.Â  I'm leaning towards Pat Reilly's     suggestion.Â  I recently had the rudder/brake pedals off to install     the reinforcing kit and maybe the brake pedals are binding a bit.Â      I'm going to remove the pedals and ease up the fit a bit.

     

     Pete

     

     

     On 5/10/2011 2:56 PM, kerrjohna(at)comcast.net (kerrjohna(at)comcast.net) wrote:     [quote]       p { margin: 0; }                

It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower           speed an easier task.Â  You will note that the 60 mph approach           is not much different than the adjoining thread this morning           talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV with 618 engine.         

Â          

John Kerr

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pchristensen10(at)austin.
Guest

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: landing rpm

OOps replied to the wrong thread.

     

     It's hell to get old.

     

     Pete

     

     

     On 5/11/2011 8:29 AM, Pete Christensen wrote:     [quote]              Sure did check the bearings John.Â  I'm leaning towards Pat       Reilly's suggestion.Â  I recently had the rudder/brake pedals off       to install the reinforcing kit and maybe the brake pedals are       binding a bit.Â  I'm going to remove the pedals and ease up the fit       a bit.

       

       Pete

       

       

       On 5/10/2011 2:56 PM, kerrjohna(at)comcast.net (kerrjohna(at)comcast.net)       wrote:       [quote]         p { margin: 0; }                    

It will be good to hear if you find landing at the lower             speed an easier task.Â  You will note that the 60 mph             approach is not much different than the adjoining thread             this morning talked of cruise speed seen with Model IV with             618 engine.           

Â            

John Kerr

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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: landing rpm

you have now had an aha moment, go enjoy some ah moments then come back to the "education and recreation" of home building. 

  

J 



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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: landing rpm

At that rate you just might get plenty of opertunitys to work on them!! LOL  Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.  I'm a fine one to talk though, I've had to do a bit of repairing at times myself.  Keep flying, keep learning, and keep having fun.  I got another hour on my Avid this evening so I'm in a good mood myself.  Take care, 

 Jim Chuk  

 Avid MK IV  (flying)

 Kitfox 4  (building, kindof slowly latley)

 northern Mn

 

   Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 15:01:15 -0500

Subject: Re: landing rpm

From: patreilly43(at)gmail.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com



 John, I say, I'll always be better at working on airplanes than I will be at flying them.

  

 Pat Reilly

 On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM, <kerrjohna(at)comcast.net (kerrjohna(at)comcast.net)> wrote:

 [quote]   you have now had an aha moment, go enjoy some ah moments then come back to the "education and recreation" of home building.

  

 J

  

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kerrjohna(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: landing rpm

many of us fly to support our building habit. 

  

John Kerr

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: landing rpm

John, I have previously said, "I'll be trying to get out of the casket

saying, lets go build something".



Pat Reilly



On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, <kerrjohna(at)comcast.net> wrote:



[quote]  many of us fly to support our building habit.



 John Kerr

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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: landing rpm

Just as long as you're not saying, I know I can rebuild it!  LOL  Take care,  Jim Chuk

 do not archive

 

   Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:09:25 -0400

Subject: Re: landing rpm

From: patreilly43(at)gmail.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com



 John, I have previously said, "I'll be trying to get out of the casket saying, lets go build something".

  

 Pat Reilly 

 On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, <kerrjohna(at)comcast.net (kerrjohna(at)comcast.net)> wrote:

 [quote]   many of us fly to support our building habit.

  

  John Kerr

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