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Thumper

Joined: 24 Aug 2008
Posts: 46
Location: Oakland TN.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

It is getting hot here in the south and I was wondering if anyone has flown their Mark III with the doors off.  Any handling issues I might see?  Love the open air and visibility of my previous Firestar with no doors. Any Ideas.  

     Anyone have pictures of what they use to hold the doors up while on the ground?  I need to do something fast.  I am picturing small lift struts at the front of each door then close the door just before takeoff.  Any pictures and details would be appreciated.  I'm sure there are plenty of you who have something that works for you.

Thanks

Dennis Long

Oakland TN

49 hours since March 15th.

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

I've flown many hours without the doors on my MkIIIC... can't tell a whit of difference with them on, or off (except it's a bit windier in the cockpit).  Some people claim that if you have a panel behind you, you can't fly it with the door off.... but I have a lexan panel behind me, and it doesn't seem to matter. 



  -- Robert



On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Thumper <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com (dlong1957(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

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 It is getting hot here in the south and I was wondering if anyone has flown their Mark III with the doors off.  Any handling issues I might see?  Love the open air and visibility of my previous Firestar with no doors. Any Ideas.

       Anyone have pictures of what they use to hold the doors up while on the ground?  I need to do something fast.  I am picturing small lift struts at the front of each door then close the door just before takeoff.  Any pictures and details would be appreciated.  I'm sure there are plenty of you who have something that works for you.

  Thanks

 Dennis Long

 Oakland TN

 49 hours since March 15th.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:09 am Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

hard to read a road map.BB



On 8, Jun 2011, at 11:51 AM, Robert Laird wrote:

[quote]I've flown many hours without the doors on my MkIIIC... can't tell a whit of difference with them on, or off (except it's a bit windier in the cockpit).  Some people claim that if you have a panel behind you, you can't fly it with the door off.... but I have a lexan panel behind me, and it doesn't seem to matter. 



  -- Robert



On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Thumper <dlong1957(at)yahoo.com (dlong1957(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

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 It is getting hot here in the south and I was wondering if anyone has flown their Mark III with the doors off.  Any handling issues I might see?  Love the open air and visibility of my previous Firestar with no doors. Any Ideas.

       Anyone have pictures of what they use to hold the doors up while on the ground?  I need to do something fast.  I am picturing small lift struts at the front of each door then close the door just before takeoff.  Any pictures and details would be appreciated.  I'm sure there are plenty of you who have something that works for you.

  Thanks

 Dennis Long

 Oakland TN

 49 hours since March 15th.

 

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Thom Riddle

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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

To avoid paying high prices for pneumatic lift struts, I found a much cheaper and simpler alternative. Boats sometimes have hatches held open with springs which are stiff enough to stay in column unless you push on them in the middle, when they collapse. I bought one from West Marine for about $11, tried it and liked so bought another for the other door. This was on a Rans S6, not my Slingshot.



Here is a link to a fancier model than the ones I used but the principle is the same. 

http://tinyurl.com/3heae4g

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:04 pm Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

Here's a selection of lift struts at Surplus Center that might yield one to use on Kolb doors. None is more the $4.99.



http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?catname=misc&keyword=XG11

 



Rick Girard



On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 To avoid paying high prices for pneumatic lift struts, I found a much cheaper and simpler alternative. Boats sometimes have hatches held open with springs which are stiff enough to stay in column unless you push on them in the middle, when they collapse. I bought one from West Marine for about $11, tried it and liked so bought another for the other door. This was on a Rans S6, not my Slingshot.

  

 Here is a link to a fancier model than the ones I used but the principle is the same.

 http://tinyurl.com/3heae4g

 

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ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

Hi all...I love flying my M3X without the doors on...in fact they are off right now ! Like riding in a convertible ,but more fun ! 



Chris Ambrose

M3X/Jabiru  A-2200

N327CS

ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

Oh yeah....make sure everything is tied down in the cockpit !!!!lol   



chris ambrose

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

ha ha ha  that is how I lost my airworthiness Cert once 

 

     Ellery Batchelder Jr.

 

 

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

That is worth bookmarking.



Here's another excellent source if you need bearings.  Fast and reliable.  Check the "take your time" box for

shipping.  They will still arrive incredibly fast.

http://www.vxb.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

BB



On 8, Jun 2011, at 6:02 PM, Richard Girard wrote:

[quote]Here's a selection of lift struts at Surplus Center that might yield one to use on Kolb doors. None is more the $4.99.



http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?catname=misc&keyword=XG11

 



Rick Girard



On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com (riddletr(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 To avoid paying high prices for pneumatic lift struts, I found a much cheaper and simpler alternative. Boats sometimes have hatches held open with springs which are stiff enough to stay in column unless you push on them in the middle, when they collapse. I bought one from West Marine for about $11, tried it and liked so bought another for the other door. This was on a Rans S6, not my Slingshot.

  

 Here is a link to a fancier model than the ones I used but the principle is the same.

 http://tinyurl.com/3heae4g

 

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 Thom Riddle

 Buffalo, NY (9G0)

 Kolb Slingshot SS-021

 Jabiru 2200A #1574

 Tennessee Prop 64x32

 

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

Rick,

Thanks for that link. I'd never seen any gas lift struts that cheap before. Have you bought any of their products? If so, how's the quality?

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:58 am Post subject: Handling issues with the doors off on a Mark III?

I've been doing business with Surplus Center for about 10 years, now. The product description will always tell you if the item is new or a take off (you'll find this primarily in electrical stuff) and I've never been "bitten" by anything I've bought from them. You do need to watch the "in stock" number in the description, too. If you want four and they only have three, it could mess up your project planning considerably. In 2003 I took on designing and building a machine that fed cedar shingles into an automatic painting machine and a stacker for when they came out. I bought all the drive components, hydraulic motors, sprockets, chains, and bearings from them and everything was just as described and, so far as I know, is still running just fine. If you get on their mailing list, you'll get a nice catalog ever so often that's kind of fun to look through. All in all, they're a great company, they sell top rate stuff, not seconds, that I know of anyway, and they ship promptly. Two thumbs up, as they say.

 



Rick



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 Rick,

 Thanks for that link. I'd never seen any gas lift struts that cheap before. Have you bought any of their products? If so, how's the quality?

 

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 Buffalo, NY (9G0)

 Kolb Slingshot SS-021

 Jabiru 2200A #1574

 Tennessee Prop 64x32

 

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