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David d.

Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 60
Location: Fitzgerald Ga.

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: Newbie

Hello to all,



First time here as a poster. Actually it took a few weeks to find this all Kolb forum.



I am 70 yr old.  I have a private pilot lic.  I have not flown for some 35 years.

I am now doing a re-entry. I have flown piper and cessnas.  Back then there was no ul or lsa around.



I have about decided on a Kolb.  Because of the folding wings , trailerability.

Now which model.  I am undicided about a single place or 2 place.



I am all ears about the Kolb if anyone wants to bend my ear a little.



Thanks

ss568

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie

They all fly similarly, but the general feeling is different inasmuch as the Firestars with their narrow cockpit give a different sensory experience than the MKIII variants with their wide cockpits and room to dump stuff in the seat next to you. Also when taking off and landing, the MKIII variants feel wide and "planted," while the Firestar variants feel narrower, and a bit more teetery on their narrower gear. Landing my MKIII seems almost a no-brainer in taildragger terms, while the FSII is more classic taildragger, if you are not on your game, it is more likely to let you know it.



A lot depends on if you like to haul "stuff" around with you when you fly. The one is narrow and ergonomically challenging if you like a lot of electronic bells and whistles, the other has lots more room, panel, and places for electronic junk to be mounted. 



I have equal access to a FSII with a Rotax 582 and a MKIII Classic with a Rotax 582, both handle similarly in the air, the FSII will fly the same speed as the MKIII at about 4-500 rpm less due to it's cleaner fuselage shape. Which works out to about 1 GPH less in fuel burn, and less in flight noise from the slower prop. But I fly the MKIII anyway, I just like it a bit better.  Purely subjective.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: Newbie

Welcome Dave,

 There are a lot of old timers on the list.Let us know where you are and one of the listers will give you a ride in a Kolb 

    G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200a 630 hrs-class of "38"

 

   

  

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David d.

Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 60
Location: Fitzgerald Ga.

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Newbie

Thanks Richard,



One thing that is puzzling.  Some 2 place Kolbs have one stick, others have 2.

It would seem that flying with the stick off center would be a bit challenging as the stick is not directly between the legs. Particular in time of hair raising, such as a crosswind landing.

Am I right in that only the Mark 3 has dual sticks (centered)?

Can the others be modified to bring the one stick over or change to two?

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David d.

Joined: 04 Jul 2011
Posts: 60
Location: Fitzgerald Ga.

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Newbie

 	  zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  Welcome Dave,

 There are a lot of old timers on the list.Let us know where you are and one of the listers will give you a ride in a Kolb 

    G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200a 630 hrs-class of "38"

 

   

  

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Fitzgerald is located in south Ga.

Ya know there is S Ga. and then there is Atlanta.

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Newbie

 	  SS568 wrote: 	
		  Thanks Richard,



One thing that is puzzling.  Some 2 place Kolbs have one stick, others have 2.

It would seem that flying with the stick off center would be a bit challenging as the stick is not directly between the legs. Particular in time of hair raising, such as a crosswind landing.

Am I right in that only the Mark 3 has dual sticks (centered)?

Can the others be modified to bring the one stick over or change to two?



David d. 	




Originally they all had just the one stick in the middle and it is not challenging at all. After a few flights, it seems like it is right where it needs to be, and the place between the legs is good for a radio and switch rack. And I don't have to try and get my leg over a stick.



Apparently the dual stick is now common, if I remember right (always a problem) the Hauck guys came up with the dual arrangement, and I think it is possible to retrofit. John? Others? Verify? Or am I all wet? 



One thing I moved; the original throttle for the MKIII which was in the middle, replaced it with an add on quadrant on the left sidewall, which I like much better.  Kolb details are easy to tinker with, if you want it different, change it.

http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm



Richard Pike

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Mike Welch

Joined: 13 Feb 2011
Posts: 272

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: Newbie

Richard,



  IIRC, you are correct that John H was somehow involved in the dual stick design option.

I think he said he, his brother Jim, and maybe Dennis came up with the design.



  Although having dual sticks is an option, I guess it's not for everyone.  I seriously thought

about going that route, but didn't like the idea of crawling over it, so I just stayed with the 

"single center stick".



  Speaking of 'crawling' over.  I aslo relocated the center throttle to the left side of the 

pilot seat...but I decided to mount it to the door frame.  Now, when I open the door,

the throttle swings out of the way completely!  For me, the less crawling over stuff,

the better.

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		   Apparently the dual stick is now common, if I remember right (always a problem) the Hauck guys came up with the dual arrangement, and I think it is possible to retrofit. John? Others? Verify? Or am I all wet? 

 

 One thing I moved; the original throttle for the MKIII which was in the middle, replaced it with an add on quadrant on the left sidewall, which I like much better.  Kolb details are easy to tinker with, if you want it different, change it.

 http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm

 

 Richard Pike

 MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


	




 		 	   		  

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: Newbie

From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>

   IIRC, you are correct that John H was somehow involved in the dual stick 

design option.

I think he said he, his brother Jim, and maybe Dennis came up with the 

design.



Folks:



My only involvement in the first set of dual controls in a Kolb aircraft was 

coming up with the requirement and testing the finished product.



Brother Jim Hauck designed and fabricated the dual controls for my MKIII in 

1991.  He built the jigs, offered them to Kolb Aircraft, but they were not 

interested in our dual controls.



Some time later Kolb Aircraft came up with their own design of dual 

controls.



Brother Jim gave his dual control jigs to The New Kolb Aircraft Company. 

All dual controls being produced by TNK and Kolb Aircraft are Jim Hauck dual 

controls.  Our late friend, Seth Mathews of Tallahassee, Florida, gave us 

engineering expertise for the project, but the idea was mine, and the 

majority of the project was the result of Brother Jim's expertise.



I fly my MKIII from the right seat, use the right stick between my legs and 

the normal Kolb throttle in the center bewteen the seats.  I long ago 

removed the left stick to make it easier for passengers to board my MKIII. 

I like my arrangement better than the center stick and throttle, or flying 

left seat and moving the throttle to the left side.  I have no problem 

adjusting to either configuration, and have been flying both systems for 

many years.



My biggest problem is adjusting to operation of the flap with my right hand. 

I keep reaching for the handle with my left hand when I start flying from 

the left seat.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Newbie

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  



My biggest problem is adjusting to operation of the flap with my right hand. 

I keep reaching for the handle with my left hand when I start flying from 

the left seat.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama 	




I understand. My car has the garage door opener in the console, the wife's car has it above the rear view mirror. Which means that whenever I am approaching the garage, the right hand is waving around uncertain of where to mash. 



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