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Matt Dralle
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Fellow RVers,
If you feeling like you needed a little inspiration on that RV project, check out the attached photo. What an awesome shot of a P-51 Mustang leading a flight of 7 RVs!! Totally cool! Makes me wish my RV-8 was rebuilt. But then, what doesn't... 
Matt
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http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
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gyoung
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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There’s an Extra in there too. Still a cool shot.
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
Wait a minute!!! I see a -4 in there! 
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On 7-8-2011 02:57, Matt Dralle wrote: | Quote: | | Fellow RVers, If you feeling like you needed a little inspiration on that RV project, check out the attached photo. What an awesome shot of a P-51 Mustang leading a flight of 7 RVs!! Totally cool! Makes me wish my RV-8 was rebuilt. But then, what doesn't... Matt -Matt DralleRV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log |
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JLuckey(at)pacbell.net
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:15 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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No doubt that's a cool picture - but I wonder if it is authentic.
The lighting on the 51 looks suspect to me.
Does anyone know the photographer??
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Matt Dralle
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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At 08:21 AM 7/8/2011 Friday, you wrote:
| Quote: | Ah, never mind. Now I see your rebuild web page. I didn't know you had the mishap. Glad you're okay and that the gear didn't fold.
Good luck with your rebuild. Maybe add a nose wheel like mine? : )
Stan Sutterfield
In a message dated 7/8/2011 3:09:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Matt Dralle writes:
Makes me wish my RV-8 was rebuilt
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Yeah, its quite the bummer. I figure about 1172 hours to rebuild. Let me tell you, it has been really emotionally difficult to deconstruct a mostly perfect fuselage. Every time I un-build a different part of the old fuselage salvaging parts to put on the new fuselage, I am reminded of all the work involved in building one of these airplanes.
But, this week I actually started real construction on the new fuselage and that felt good. Also, a lot of the replacement parts (wiring, connectors, etc) started arriving this week and getting presents in the mail always cheers me up.
Be careful out there. The RVs seem really stout, but they're really pretty fragile. I wasn't going that fast and the mishap really wasn't that big of a deal - I see guys in C-150's doing stuff like it all the time - but the damage can be disproportionately great.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
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http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Yup,
I know the photographer and all of the guys in the pic except two.
It's real.
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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:10 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Most GA airplanes are flying beer cans. Treat them as such.
Robin
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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:12 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Is that a 3/4 scale P-51? I do see flaps deployed on the lead so us pesky
little RV's can keep up.
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Matt Dralle
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:26 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Full-sized. Here's some info on that particular P-51 in the picture:
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/survivors/pages/44-84900.shtml
Matt
At 10:07 AM 7/8/2011 Friday, you wrote:
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Is that a 3/4 scale P-51? I do see flaps deployed on the lead so us pesky
little RV's can keep up.
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JLuckey(at)pacbell.net
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:31 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Matt,
So sorry to hear about your incident. I can only imagine the horror of
seeing the damage when you climbed out of the plane. (I'm building a 7A)
This got me to thinking...
You mentioned that your plane has aftermarket landing gear.
Is it possible that the gear was "too strong" so that instead of sacrificing
the gear struts, the energy was transferred to the airframe?
Would stock landing gear have bent & saved the fuse?
Engineering minds want to know...
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Matt Dralle
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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At 11:22 AM 7/8/2011 Friday, you wrote:
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Matt,
So sorry to hear about your incident. I can only imagine the horror of
seeing the damage when you climbed out of the plane. (I'm building a 7A)
This got me to thinking...
You mentioned that your plane has aftermarket landing gear.
Is it possible that the gear was "too strong" so that instead of sacrificing
the gear struts, the energy was transferred to the airframe?
Would stock landing gear have bent & saved the fuse?
Engineering minds want to know...
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When I showed the pictures to Van's they commented that they were surprised that the gear leg didn't break off. So, it would seem that the gear leg breaking off would have perhaps reduced or eliminated the fuselage damage around the gear leg mount.
BUT, if the gear leg had broken, the other damage would have probably been a lot worse. For example the prop would have hit the ground and damaged it, the engine would have required tear down, the left wing would have sustained much more damage, and the risk of flipping over would have been a lot greater which would have caused a substantial amount more damage.
The real question I guess is if the gear leg had broken, would the alternate damage repair have taken 1172 hours? Had to say at this point, I suppose.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
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Gary.A.Sobek
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Yes it is real.
6 or 8 years ago we put up a 10 or 12-RV formation at Mason City Iowa with Doug Rosendall in a P-51. An RV and P-51 can fly together. It has been done before and will be done again.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,505+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
| Quote: | From: robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:07:33 -0700
Subject: RE: RV-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com>
Is that a 3/4 scale P-51? I do see flaps deployed on the lead so us pesky
little RV's can keep up.
R
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Gary.A.Sobek
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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I know the photog.
Her husband flys for SouthWest and is retired Air Force. They have a 200 HP RV-6A.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,505+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
| Quote: | From: JLuckey(at)pacbell.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:09:29 -0700
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Luckey" <JLuckey(at)pacbell.net>
No doubt that's a cool picture - but I wonder if it is authentic.
The lighting on the 51 looks suspect to me.
Does anyone know the photographer??
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rvmills(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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I'll vouch for its authenticity too (like Slick and Condor). (I was the red RV on the Mustang's right wing).
This was following a multi-ship fly-by of the Boulder City 4th of July parade. We had a 7-ship of RVs in a Delta with Stinger, followed by a CJ-6 leading a T-6 and an Extra in a Vic, followed by the Mustang in trail.
After the fly-by we reformed over Lake Mead (T-6 and CJ departed) and shot a bunch of photos from the lead RV, who flew over the other 6 RVs and the Extra all in Echelon on the Mustang. In looking at the photos, we all commented on how surreal the airplanes look over the washed out terrain around Lake Mead. But it's for real!
It was a fun hop, and if you'd like to see more pics from that day and from other West Coast Raven events, check the photographer's website out here: http://web.me.com/swawife/Site/KBVU_-_May-July.2011/KBVU_-_May-July.2011.html
And yes, the Merlin sounds pretty cool from the wing!
Cheers,
Bob
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:37 PM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
I know the photog.
Her husband flys for SouthWest and is retired Air Force. They have a 200 HP RV-6A.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,505+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> From: JLuckey(at)pacbell.net
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Subject: RE: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:09:29 -0700
--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Luckey" <JLuckey(at)pacbell.net>
No doubt that's a cool picture - but I wonder if it is authentic.
The lighting on the 51 looks suspect to me.
Does anyone know the photographer??
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robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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AWESOME. Thanks for the link.
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bob Mills
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:45 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: RV-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
I'll vouch for its authenticity too (like Slick and Condor). (I was the red RV on the Mustang's right wing).
This was following a multi-ship fly-by of the Boulder City 4th of July parade. We had a 7-ship of RVs in a Delta with Stinger, followed by a CJ-6 leading a T-6 and an Extra in a Vic, followed by the Mustang in trail.
After the fly-by we reformed over Lake Mead (T-6 and CJ departed) and shot a bunch of photos from the lead RV, who flew over the other 6 RVs and the Extra all in Echelon on the Mustang. In looking at the photos, we all commented on how surreal the airplanes look over the washed out terrain around Lake Mead. But it's for real!
It was a fun hop, and if you'd like to see more pics from that day and from other West Coast Raven events, check the photographer's website out here: http://web.me.com/swawife/Site/KBVU_-_May-July.2011/KBVU_-_May-July.2011.html
And yes, the Merlin sounds pretty cool from the wing!
Cheers,
Bob
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV6 Flyer
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:37 PM
To: RV List
Subject: RE: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
I know the photog.
Her husband flys for SouthWest and is retired Air Force. They have a 200 HP RV-6A.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,505+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> From: JLuckey(at)pacbell.net (JLuckey(at)pacbell.net)
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--> RV-List message posted by: "Jeff Luckey" <JLuckey(at)pacbell.net (JLuckey(at)pacbell.net)>
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The lighting on the 51 looks suspect to me.
Does anyone know the photographer??
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Gary.A.Sobek
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Attached is a photo from KMCW 2004. As I said in another email, not the first time it has been done with the REAL thing.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,507+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
[quote] From: robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:07:33 -0700
Subject: RE: RV-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com>
Is that a 3/4 scale P-51? I do see flaps deployed on the lead so us pesky
little RV's can keep up.
R
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:13 pm Post subject: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... |
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Niiiicce! :O
On 7-9-2011 21:35, RV6 Flyer wrote: [quote] Attached is a photo from KMCW 2004. As I said in another email, not the first time it has been done with the REAL thing.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,507+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> From: robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com (robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com)
> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:07:33 -0700
> Subject: RE: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot...
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> --> RV-List message posted by: Robin Marks <robin(at)painttheweb.com> (robin(at)painttheweb.com)
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> Is that a 3/4 scale P-51? I do see flaps deployed on the lead so us pesky
> little RV's can keep up.
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