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 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
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I don't do Facebook and so have previously ignored the Facebook icon on the
Van's homepage. I decided to take a look at what was out there and I see
Van's has a pretty pointed commentary on Greg's aircraft. The title of the
article is "WHAT PRICE
MASTERPIECE?<http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883>
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http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883
The article touches on a number of items, increased gross weight, seats,
shoulder harness and additional fuel tanks in the wings. The additional
fuel in the wings is relevant to Matronics thread
75832<http://www.matronics.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=78532>
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| Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
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Way to go Dick!
Think of all the people who have wanted to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa!
Don't mess with DaVinci, Don't mess with Dick's creation.
Thanks William for posting this.
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:57:49 -0400
Subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
I don't do Facebook and so have previously ignored the Facebook icon on the Van's homepage. I decided to take a look at what was out there and I see Van's has a pretty pointed commentary on Greg's aircraft. The title of the article is "WHAT PRICE MASTERPIECE?"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883
The article touches on a number of items, increased gross weight, seats, shoulder harness and additional fuel tanks in the wings. The additional fuel in the wings is relevant to Matronics thread 75832.
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William
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AirMike
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: Vans commentary - Hale aircraft - for current/new builders |
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While I am loathe to criticize Greg Hale, I appreciate the pointed comments of Van. In my humble opinion, the Vans planes are designed to be light, efficient, good load carriers. I built mine with that idea in mind , and at 1620 lbs. (including tow bar), I have 780 lbs. Of payload with full tanks. The factory seats are awesome, and the idea of making almost any modification to this design is, in my opinion, a poor decision. I have only 3 modifications to the original design - S/S air box , inspection panels to under flooring, and Bonaco fuel lines. Each mod adds weight even these modest changes probably added 1-2 lbs. and added man-hours to the build.
I think that if you buy into the Vans concept, you will build quicker, have less challenges, and get more satisfaction out of your RV-10. Vans put a lot of engineering into the 10. Why re-invent the wheel.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
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Well, since you asked, about re-inventing the wheel, there is no way I
would install the stock Van's nose wheel setup. I bought the full
Matco setup, axle, spacers and proper wheel. It took me longer to read
and absorb the instructions than it did for me to put it together. It
is likely to be very low maintenance compared to the factory torque,
shimmy, torque, find nose fork galled and try to figure a fix.
Also would not consider flying with Van's door latches without
modification. Sean's latch is a far better design than the factory
weak attempt.
No question mods add to the build time and take very careful consideration.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, AirMike <Mikeabel(at)pacbell.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I think that if you buy into the Vans concept, you will build quicker, have less challenges, and get more satisfaction out of your RV-10. Vans put a lot of engineering into the 10. Why re-invent the wheel.
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See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
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greghale
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
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Guys I understand where Van's coming from, but the whole idea of building my own airplane is to be able to personalize the airplane the way I want it. I have posted a '"My thoughts and explanations" on my web site to show my point of view. My gross weight is 2700#.
http://www.nwacaptain.com/my_thoughts.pdf
Greg...
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weeav8ter
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
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Number one I think Greg's plane looks really great. Mine is also quite heavy, 1750, and my rationale was the same as Greg's, I built it the way I wanted it and I said the weight will have to be what it will be. I also usually only fly alone or with one other person. On occasion I'll take folks up for a ride and fill the plane. I have a hangar mate who's a retired Air Force Col, former B52 pilot, and during his military flying years they concluded that carrying excess fuel was inefficient in many ways. He's now converted me, somewhat, to that idea and I usually only maintain 30 to 40 gals of fuel on board, thus reducing my weight up to 170 to 200 lbs. If I go cross country, depending on the distance, then I fill it up. But going cross country for me usually doesn't include a full load of passengers.
Several years back I flew up through Alaska and stopped in at Van's for a tour of their factory. I found the tour very interesting. While I was on the ramp Van came out to talk. I told him right away that I know his mission and my mission with the plane is different. I told him I built it the way I wanted it and the weight is what it is. He said he understood but that he looks at everything as an engineer and to him weight is speed and other efficiencies that come with a lighter weight. We talked for about 30 minutes or more and he is an enjoyable person to talk to. He never made me feel I shouldn't have built it the way I did. He's a very interesting guy.
Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that I'm with Greg. Your building a plane for your use so make it the way you want it as long as the changes you're making isn't outside the norm of tested things, i.e. items that haven't been completely tested, remember Dan Lloyd. Much of the weight on mine came from full interior, built in O2, and a few other avionic items.
I've not yet experienced a problem with my plane weighing a little more than Van's and I also used the recommended gross weight of 2700 lbs. I really haven't seen that much loss of speed when compared to others.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
Time: 09:22:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month From: "greghale" <ghale5224(at)aol.com (ghale5224(at)aol.com)>
Guys I understand where Van's coming from, but the whole idea of building my own
airplane is to be able to personalize the airplane the way I want it. I have
posted a '"My thoughts and explanations" on my web site to show my point of
view. My gross weight is 2700#.
http://www.nwacaptain.com/my_thoughts.pdf
Greg...
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www.nwacaptain.com
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msausen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
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That brings to mind a whole number of things that required a mustache; door pins, nose wheel, bulkhead cracks due to poor QC. I could go on but my point is the -10 is an awesome platform to build on but far from perfect. We are building experimental aircraft, not factory clones so by all means, experiment (within reason)!
Michael
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On Jul 4, 2011, at 5:42 PM, "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com (indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com)> wrote:
[quote] Way to go Dick!
Think of all the people who have wanted to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa!
Don't mess with DaVinci, Don't mess with Dick's creation.
Thanks William for posting this.
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:57:49 -0400
Subject: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)wcurtis(at)nerv10.com (wcurtis(at)nerv10.com)
To: (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
I don't do Facebook and so have previously ignored the Facebook icon on the Van's homepage. I decided to take a look at what was out there and I see Van's has a pretty pointed commentary on Greg's aircraft. The title of the article is "WHAT PRICE MASTERPIECE?"
[/url][url=http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883]http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883
The article touches on a number of items, increased gross weight, seats, shoulder harness and additional fuel tanks in the wings. The additional fuel in the wings is relevant to Matronics thread 75832.
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William
N40237 - [/url][url=http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/]http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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