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 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH |
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After the disaster at Sun-N-Fun where the planes flipped all over
the place, I paid attention to the stuff going on when the
discussion turned to tiedowns. At the time, Aviation Consumer
decided to test them after the big blow and get feedback too,
from sun-n-fun attenders. So they did a tie-down comparison
and basically the thrust of it was that The Claw was probably
just slightly on top as the best. But, then came info
about the Storm Force tie down, which purported to be better
yet.
So I watched with interest because I really care about my
plane and care not to have it thrashed at OSH, and every year...
and I mean EVERY year, we get at least one storm going through
that scares the heck out of me. (Remember that bozo with the
stuck horn in camp scholler that sounded like a tornado horn
that one year?) So I wanted to make sure that whatever I
had, it was very very good, if not the best I could practically
do.
Well, after Aviation Consumer did that review, a couple others
that they hadn't heard about were made known to them.
One of them was Abe's Tiedowns...one that I had never heard
of. As it turns out, Abe's tiedowns were vastly stronger
than the other offerings when they tested them.
You can go to Abe's Aviation site here, and see the
Aviation Consumer review and test. http://www.abesaviation.com/
(actually, it looks like the link on their site has
gotten mixed up but either google it or go to youtube here)
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuYK_eEQ9c
Google: "Aviation Consumer's Tiedown Shootout"
The way the test turned out, they used an engine hoist
to test them, and the Abe's were so strong that the
engine hoist wouldn't do it without tipping over so they
hooked up a truck, and pulled to 1000lbs and the tires
on the truck spun without pulling the tiedown anchors out.
I was pretty impressed, and I'd never even heard of them
before.
The Abe's set aren't cheap...I bought the deluxe-5 set
that costs $305, but there are cheaper options if you
wish. I got them last week and opened them up and
saw that they were really nice, made of stainless. They're
going to be a little heavier in the 5-set that I got, than
my claw set, but the anchoring hold is much much stronger.
My thought is that if I were going somewhere for a simple
overnight, perhaps I'd take the claw for weight savings
if it were an issue (it's only about 3 lbs less). But
sometimes you're traveling to a place like OSH. At OSH,
you can't really just LEAVE if a storm is imminent. The
rules don't allow it, and you can't just get up at
9pm and decide to bug out before a huge line of storms
is coming. So for a show like OSH, I don't want my plane
flying around into someone else's, or flipping over, and
I'd gladly haul the best tiedown anchors I could get
for such a show. I know, it's paranoid, but it did just
happen at OSH.
So anyway, I thought I'd pass on the note, since I wasn't
aware of them. I was impressed enough that I asked Abe's
guy to send me some flyers that I can set down by the plane
next to the tiedowns, to have something for people to
grab if they are interested in such a thing. I know it
might not be something you could get in time for OSH,
unless you scramble, but for builders who don't have them,
you may want to stop over and take a peek.
Just thought I'd pass that along.
Tim
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH |
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The problem I had with the Aviation Consumer test was that they pulled
straight up. Just another data point:
I volunteer at the Aerobatic center .... the tent next to the warbird
ramp ..... and the aircraft on display were tied down with the doggy
screw-in anchors. The storm picked up our tent and flipped it over, but
the aircraft tied down didn't move. Why? All the tiedowns were offset
from the tiedown rings (or the gear legs etc) so the pulling force was
sideways on the stakes. I looked at a large number of aircraft that
were still tied down with the doggy stakes ..... and the stakes were
very close to being right under the tiedown rings. I think they just
dodged the bullet. I have no knowledge of how the damaged aircraft were
tied down, but I'm of the opinion that with the tornado, no tiedown
would have survived.
Look at how the Abes Stakes are laid out. Pulling two flat plates
sideways takes an awesome amount of force.
Linn
On 7/20/2011 3:26 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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After the disaster at Sun-N-Fun where the planes flipped all over
the place, I paid attention to the stuff going on when the
discussion turned to tiedowns. At the time, Aviation Consumer
decided to test them after the big blow and get feedback too,
from sun-n-fun attenders. So they did a tie-down comparison
and basically the thrust of it was that The Claw was probably
just slightly on top as the best. But, then came info
about the Storm Force tie down, which purported to be better
yet.
So I watched with interest because I really care about my
plane and care not to have it thrashed at OSH, and every year...
and I mean EVERY year, we get at least one storm going through
that scares the heck out of me. (Remember that bozo with the
stuck horn in camp scholler that sounded like a tornado horn
that one year?) So I wanted to make sure that whatever I
had, it was very very good, if not the best I could practically
do.
Well, after Aviation Consumer did that review, a couple others
that they hadn't heard about were made known to them.
One of them was Abe's Tiedowns...one that I had never heard
of. As it turns out, Abe's tiedowns were vastly stronger
than the other offerings when they tested them.
You can go to Abe's Aviation site here, and see the
Aviation Consumer review and test. http://www.abesaviation.com/
(actually, it looks like the link on their site has
gotten mixed up but either google it or go to youtube here)
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuYK_eEQ9c
Google: "Aviation Consumer's Tiedown Shootout"
The way the test turned out, they used an engine hoist
to test them, and the Abe's were so strong that the
engine hoist wouldn't do it without tipping over so they
hooked up a truck, and pulled to 1000lbs and the tires
on the truck spun without pulling the tiedown anchors out.
I was pretty impressed, and I'd never even heard of them
before.
The Abe's set aren't cheap...I bought the deluxe-5 set
that costs $305, but there are cheaper options if you
wish. I got them last week and opened them up and
saw that they were really nice, made of stainless. They're
going to be a little heavier in the 5-set that I got, than
my claw set, but the anchoring hold is much much stronger.
My thought is that if I were going somewhere for a simple
overnight, perhaps I'd take the claw for weight savings
if it were an issue (it's only about 3 lbs less). But
sometimes you're traveling to a place like OSH. At OSH,
you can't really just LEAVE if a storm is imminent. The
rules don't allow it, and you can't just get up at
9pm and decide to bug out before a huge line of storms
is coming. So for a show like OSH, I don't want my plane
flying around into someone else's, or flipping over, and
I'd gladly haul the best tiedown anchors I could get
for such a show. I know, it's paranoid, but it did just
happen at OSH.
So anyway, I thought I'd pass on the note, since I wasn't
aware of them. I was impressed enough that I asked Abe's
guy to send me some flyers that I can set down by the plane
next to the tiedowns, to have something for people to
grab if they are interested in such a thing. I know it
might not be something you could get in time for OSH,
unless you scramble, but for builders who don't have them,
you may want to stop over and take a peek.
Just thought I'd pass that along.
Tim
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH |
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But with the Claw, that's the company's recommended way to
do it. When you offset a claw tiedown, you'll risk breaking
one of the legs off as a failure.
Also, if you actually watch the video, they DID pull the
stormforce at an angle. So they did just what you said.
The stormforce did look good and I agree it seemed to
be at least as good as the claw.
But as you said, if you're pulling a flat plate sideways
it's gonna have a ton of drag through the soil, and that's
the point....I think there's no way that if you set up
each tie down in it's best configured manner, that any
of the other ones will match what Abe's does. My only
disappointment is the flatter wallet, and 3 lbs of weight
over the claw....that I must confess. But, I think OSH
is the perfect place for such a heavy tiedown.
What would be cool is if you could get these in titanium
for a similar price....that would be perfect.
Oh, and the 3-deluxe kit would be a good way to go
for same-weight traveling as the claw...you'd get a
reduction in hold over the 5-spade model, but you
could effectively carry 3 for your occasional stops,
and 5 for shows like OSH where you're trapped.
I just like passing it on when I see someone doing
something that is clearly a better design.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/20/2011 2:48 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
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The problem I had with the Aviation Consumer test was that they pulled
straight up. Just another data point:
I volunteer at the Aerobatic center .... the tent next to the warbird
ramp ..... and the aircraft on display were tied down with the doggy
screw-in anchors. The storm picked up our tent and flipped it over, but
the aircraft tied down didn't move. Why? All the tiedowns were offset
from the tiedown rings (or the gear legs etc) so the pulling force was
sideways on the stakes. I looked at a large number of aircraft that were
still tied down with the doggy stakes ..... and the stakes were very
close to being right under the tiedown rings. I think they just dodged
the bullet. I have no knowledge of how the damaged aircraft were tied
down, but I'm of the opinion that with the tornado, no tiedown would
have survived.
Look at how the Abes Stakes are laid out. Pulling two flat plates
sideways takes an awesome amount of force.
Linn
On 7/20/2011 3:26 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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>
> After the disaster at Sun-N-Fun where the planes flipped all over
> the place, I paid attention to the stuff going on when the
> discussion turned to tiedowns. At the time, Aviation Consumer
> decided to test them after the big blow and get feedback too,
> from sun-n-fun attenders. So they did a tie-down comparison
> and basically the thrust of it was that The Claw was probably
> just slightly on top as the best. But, then came info
> about the Storm Force tie down, which purported to be better
> yet.
>
> So I watched with interest because I really care about my
> plane and care not to have it thrashed at OSH, and every year...
> and I mean EVERY year, we get at least one storm going through
> that scares the heck out of me. (Remember that bozo with the
> stuck horn in camp scholler that sounded like a tornado horn
> that one year?) So I wanted to make sure that whatever I
> had, it was very very good, if not the best I could practically
> do.
>
> Well, after Aviation Consumer did that review, a couple others
> that they hadn't heard about were made known to them.
> One of them was Abe's Tiedowns...one that I had never heard
> of. As it turns out, Abe's tiedowns were vastly stronger
> than the other offerings when they tested them.
>
> You can go to Abe's Aviation site here, and see the
> Aviation Consumer review and test. http://www.abesaviation.com/
> (actually, it looks like the link on their site has
> gotten mixed up but either google it or go to youtube here)
>
> Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuYK_eEQ9c
> Google: "Aviation Consumer's Tiedown Shootout"
>
> The way the test turned out, they used an engine hoist
> to test them, and the Abe's were so strong that the
> engine hoist wouldn't do it without tipping over so they
> hooked up a truck, and pulled to 1000lbs and the tires
> on the truck spun without pulling the tiedown anchors out.
> I was pretty impressed, and I'd never even heard of them
> before.
>
> The Abe's set aren't cheap...I bought the deluxe-5 set
> that costs $305, but there are cheaper options if you
> wish. I got them last week and opened them up and
> saw that they were really nice, made of stainless. They're
> going to be a little heavier in the 5-set that I got, than
> my claw set, but the anchoring hold is much much stronger.
> My thought is that if I were going somewhere for a simple
> overnight, perhaps I'd take the claw for weight savings
> if it were an issue (it's only about 3 lbs less). But
> sometimes you're traveling to a place like OSH. At OSH,
> you can't really just LEAVE if a storm is imminent. The
> rules don't allow it, and you can't just get up at
> 9pm and decide to bug out before a huge line of storms
> is coming. So for a show like OSH, I don't want my plane
> flying around into someone else's, or flipping over, and
> I'd gladly haul the best tiedown anchors I could get
> for such a show. I know, it's paranoid, but it did just
> happen at OSH.
>
> So anyway, I thought I'd pass on the note, since I wasn't
> aware of them. I was impressed enough that I asked Abe's
> guy to send me some flyers that I can set down by the plane
> next to the tiedowns, to have something for people to
> grab if they are interested in such a thing. I know it
> might not be something you could get in time for OSH,
> unless you scramble, but for builders who don't have them,
> you may want to stop over and take a peek.
>
> Just thought I'd pass that along.
> Tim
>
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH |
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On 7/20/2011 4:12 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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But with the Claw, that's the company's recommended way to
do it. When you offset a claw tiedown, you'll risk breaking
one of the legs off as a failure.
Actually Aviation Consumer broke one straight up.
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| Quote: | I just like passing it on when I see someone doing
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Absolutely, and I thank you for that. I didn't know about them either.
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I think (bad move) that Airventure banned the doggy stakes?????
Linn
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paul(at)bwbco.com
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:56 pm Post subject: Abe's Tiedowns for OSH |
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I bet my tie downs would surpass any and didn't cost three bills. I cut 1/2 inch rebar in 25 inch lengths. Grind a point on one end and heat the other end with a torch to form a loop. I drive them into the ground near each other at a 45 degree angle so that when fully in the gowned the loops are together. Easy to tie the rope through. They are next to impossible to pull out either straight up or at an angle. And as recommended by the FAA, they go into the ground about 18 inches. and I drive them into the ground outward and foreword of the wing ties and behind the tail. Ah, weight you say. Yes, nine pounds for all six rebar and a ball peen to drive them in. 2.8 less than Abe's. I have used these for years at Osh and elsewhere without any problems. I hope the photos I have attached come through. If anybody is interested in more info, please contact me offline. My worries at Osh is not that my rebar tie downs will hold, but what the guy next to is using. I made these many years ago after surmising that all the products I saw commercially sold were inadequate.
Paul
RV-4 67KB
On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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After the disaster at Sun-N-Fun where the planes flipped all over
the place, I paid attention to the stuff going on when the
discussion turned to tiedowns. At the time, Aviation Consumer
decided to test them after the big blow and get feedback too,
from sun-n-fun attenders. So they did a tie-down comparison
and basically the thrust of it was that The Claw was probably
just slightly on top as the best. But, then came info
about the Storm Force tie down, which purported to be better
yet.
So I watched with interest because I really care about my
plane and care not to have it thrashed at OSH, and every year...
and I mean EVERY year, we get at least one storm going through
that scares the heck out of me. (Remember that bozo with the
stuck horn in camp scholler that sounded like a tornado horn
that one year?) So I wanted to make sure that whatever I
had, it was very very good, if not the best I could practically
do.
Well, after Aviation Consumer did that review, a couple others
that they hadn't heard about were made known to them.
One of them was Abe's Tiedowns...one that I had never heard
of. As it turns out, Abe's tiedowns were vastly stronger
than the other offerings when they tested them.
You can go to Abe's Aviation site here, and see the
Aviation Consumer review and test. http://www.abesaviation.com/
(actually, it looks like the link on their site has
gotten mixed up but either google it or go to youtube here)
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIuYK_eEQ9c
Google: "Aviation Consumer's Tiedown Shootout"
The way the test turned out, they used an engine hoist
to test them, and the Abe's were so strong that the
engine hoist wouldn't do it without tipping over so they
hooked up a truck, and pulled to 1000lbs and the tires
on the truck spun without pulling the tiedown anchors out.
I was pretty impressed, and I'd never even heard of them
before.
The Abe's set aren't cheap...I bought the deluxe-5 set
that costs $305, but there are cheaper options if you
wish. I got them last week and opened them up and
saw that they were really nice, made of stainless. They're
going to be a little heavier in the 5-set that I got, than
my claw set, but the anchoring hold is much much stronger.
My thought is that if I were going somewhere for a simple
overnight, perhaps I'd take the claw for weight savings
if it were an issue (it's only about 3 lbs less). But
sometimes you're traveling to a place like OSH. At OSH,
you can't really just LEAVE if a storm is imminent. The
rules don't allow it, and you can't just get up at
9pm and decide to bug out before a huge line of storms
is coming. So for a show like OSH, I don't want my plane
flying around into someone else's, or flipping over, and
I'd gladly haul the best tiedown anchors I could get
for such a show. I know, it's paranoid, but it did just
happen at OSH.
So anyway, I thought I'd pass on the note, since I wasn't
aware of them. I was impressed enough that I asked Abe's
guy to send me some flyers that I can set down by the plane
next to the tiedowns, to have something for people to
grab if they are interested in such a thing. I know it
might not be something you could get in time for OSH,
unless you scramble, but for builders who don't have them,
you may want to stop over and take a peek.
Just thought I'd pass that along.
Tim
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