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byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: W&B

i dont know why my last post last night did not  come through,  direct or in the digest mode.

  

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 According the the weight and balance sheet the a/c has a ew of 580.6 and  a

moment of 17899.9.  I weigh in around  225-230.



Travis



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first  thing is not to assume anything,,,,, weigh the plane and make sure the  

starting place is good.....  or you will be adding insult to injury,,,  

hopefully not your injury.



if the starting numbers include the plane  and original owner,,,,  that would 

change every thing.



boyd  young 



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tkben002

Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Posts: 54
Location: Alexandria, LA

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: Re: W&B

"if the starting numbers include the plane and original owner,,,, that would 

change every thing. "



I am not sure I understand this.  My assumption is that as long as the empty weight (and correct weight on each wheel) and the arm lenghts to the different stations are correct, then the individual weights are dynamic and would change in differing situations. (ie, different loading)



I know there are a few kolbra owners on here, hopefully they can share their own weight and balance.



Travis

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: W&B

Travis,



Here is my Kolbra weight and balance numbers.



These are Mark German's numbers. I've flown the Kolbra with a 250lb passenger (80hp Rotax) and the climb was slow.



Mark put two trim systems on the Kolbra. One is a ground-adjustable trim on the elevator, and the fine adjust is a motor that tightens a bungee cord on the stick.



Mark also had to lower the leading edge of the stabilizer so it wouldn't dive.



Ralph B

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: W&B

Yet another unreadable post due to un-resized pictures.



Sigh...



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

williamtsullivan(at)att.n
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: W&B

Richard- I went to the lower right corner of my screen, where it says 100%.  I clicked on it a couple of times, and it magnified the attachments to 150%.  They were completely readable.  Good luck.

  

                                            Bill Sullivan



--- On Thu, 7/21/11, Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org> wrote:



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From: Richard Pike <richard(at)bcchapel.org>

Subject: Re: W&B

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 11:28 PM



 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org (richard(at)bcchapel.org)>



Yet another unreadable post due to un-resized pictures.



Sigh...



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)





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David Lucas

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Europe. based Amsterdam NL

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:12 am Post subject: Re: W&B

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		  Richard- I went to the lower right corner of my screen, . . . 	




Alternatively, after clicking on the attachment and whilst viewing the picture, hold down the 'ctrl' button and press the '+' sign key until it comes up to a suitable size. (Hold down the 'ctrl' button & press the '-' key to get it back to original size)



David.

tkben002

Joined: 06 Jul 2011
Posts: 54
Location: Alexandria, LA

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:36 am Post subject: Re: W&B

Thanks Ralph for posting your numbers.  I was suprised our empty weights were so close.  I expected the Jabiru to be lighter than the Rotax installation. (do you have a BRS).  Our weights are pretty much the same except you have about 10 more pounds on the tail than I do.  I am not sure I understand why yours has a different cg envelope (mine is 16 to 22.4)



Also, your youtube videos all say private now so I cannot see them.  I watched them plenty of times while deciding if I was going to buy this Kolbra.  Is your insurance going to replace your stolen engine?



thanks

Travis

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: Re: W&B

When I said unreadable, it is because the 

images are so large that in order to read 

any of the posts, you have to get the 

scroll bar at the bottom of the screen 

and toggle the whole mess back and forth 

for each printed line. (Unless you hit the 

enter bar after every 6 or 7 words when 

composing your post like I am doing here.) 

It was not that the images were too small, 

quite the opposite. The reason I said they 

were unreadable is because I lose interest 

and leave them unread. But maybe  that's 

just me. Shalom.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

by0ung(at)q.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:35 am Post subject: W&B

Alternatively, after clicking on the attachment and whilst viewing the 

picture, hold down the 'ctrl' button and press the '+' sign key until it 

comes up to a suitable size. (Hold down the 'ctrl' button & press the '-' 

key to get it back to original size)



David.

that is a new shortcut that i really like... thanks          i had been 

using the zoom function in the bottom right.  but the ctrl +/-  is way nice



boyd young

do not archive

rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: W&B

If your mouse has a wheel on it, you can also press and hold down the CTRL key and then use the mouse wheel to increase/decrease font size....  well, for Kolb related stuff, anyway.  



On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:33 AM, b young <by0ung(at)q.com (by0ung(at)q.com)> wrote:

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 Alternatively, after clicking on the attachment and whilst viewing the picture, hold down the 'ctrl' button and press the '+' sign key until it comes up to a suitable size. (Hold down the 'ctrl' button & press the '-' key to get it back to original size)

  

 David.

 that is a new shortcut that i really like... thanks          i had been using the zoom function in the bottom right.  but the ctrl +/-  is way nice

 

 

 

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: W&B

 	  by0ung(at)q.com wrote: 	
		   hold down the 'ctrl' button and press the '+' sign key until it comes up to a suitable size. (Hold down the 'ctrl' button & press the '-' key to get it back to original size)

	




Thank You! This makes things tolerable! You da man!



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: Re: W&B

tkben002 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks Ralph for posting your numbers.  I was suprised our empty weights were so close.  I expected the Jabiru to be lighter than the Rotax installation. (do you have a BRS).  Our weights are pretty much the same except you have about 10 more pounds on the tail than I do.  I am not sure I understand why yours has a different cg envelope (mine is 16 to 22.4)



Also, your youtube videos all say private now so I cannot see them.  I watched them plenty of times while deciding if I was going to buy this Kolbra.  Is your insurance going to replace your stolen engine?



thanks

Travis 	




Travis and others,



I'm still mourning the loss of my Kolbra as I didn't have theft insurance on it. I'm in retirement and living on a fixed income. I don't have a whole lot of money to spend on an engine and avionics. I am thinking of going back to work to save for this, but it will take some time. When it's done, the Kolbra would be better than it was before with new equipment.



Who would have  thought someone would break into a locked hanger and steal the engine and panel in the middle of the night? I hope these guys know they are looking at a minimum of 5 years in a federal prison for doing this.



I didn't have a BRS on the airplane. In fact, I've never flown with a BRS on the Firestar either.



I was just starting to make videos when the break-in occurred. I was enjoying making them with my openness and showing all my friends the fun and thrill of flying including those guys that wanted my engine. It showed them where I was located and which hanger I was in. Please let this be a lesson for anyone making public videos on the internet.



I hope my engine and panel don't show up for sale at AirVenture. Please keep an eye out for it. In the 8 years we've attended the convention,

this is the first year Laurie and I haven't been there.



Thanks,

Ralph B

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