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Anybody know where I can get a QS-2 (brake)valve for my CJ? You can contact me off list.
Thanks
Skip Slyfield
Norske.fly(at)gmail.com
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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: Whirlwind Spinner (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)
3. 06:21 AM - A familiar bed (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Brian Lloyd)
5. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Richard Goode)
6. 12:09 PM - New Email Address (Anne and Buddy Moman)
7. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)
8. 12:35 PM - Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Etienne Verhellen)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Dr Andres Katz)
10. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (dabear)
11. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Brian Lloyd)
12. 09:18 PM - Re: What oil types can be mixed on an M-14p? (javiercarrascob)
13. 10:10 PM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Pete Fowler)
14. 11:04 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
15. 11:08 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:18:23 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Whirlwind Spinner
I have installed two of the new Whirlwind spinners. Both pilots have
said the CHT has dropped slightly. Here's a couple of photos of one of
them.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 7/31/2011 11:16 PM, Warren Hill wrote:
>
>
> Just got it on. Will let you know.
>
> Warren
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:27 PM, CD 2.0 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> wow... came out very nice !
>>
>> how has it improved performance?
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>> k7wx wrote:
>>> Gents,
>>>
>>> A while ago there was interest in that new composite WhirlWind spinner, but
no-one had seen one. Here it is, painted and with V530-WT composite blades on
my CJ. The spinner is big, but very light weight and the workmanship is flawless.
>>>
>>> Warren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2011, at 6:07 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> $1500 USD plus shipping. Whirlwind is just starting to ship now. I don't
know what their backlog is.
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/2011 6:39 PM, Didier BLOUZARD wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Any info about price and availability?
>>>>>
>>>>> Didier Blouzard
>>>>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 5 fvr. 2011 00:12, "A. Dennis Savarese" a crit :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>> I'll be installing one next week on a 52 which does have the shutters. It
is designed to fit with the shutters, just like the Yak 18T spinner does when
installed on a 52 or 18T.
>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/4/2011 1:40 PM, doug sapp wrote:
>>>>>>> Keith,
>>>>>>> Can this spinner be used with stock CJ type shutters? Or will we have
>>>>>>> to bite the bullet for a iris system? Noticed no shutters in the photo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:16 AM, N642K>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a smaller picture
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329623#329623
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cj_at_night_744.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ==========
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>>>>>
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>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348227#348227
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:16:47 AM PST US
From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
If I remember right the CJ-6 has been in an inverted flat spin. This was
done at MTW a number of year ago by Sirgay with Keith Harbor in his CJ. I
remember Keith's airplane coming back covered in oil.
At the time Keith's plane was a standard 6A.
You can flat spin a CJ quite easily positive by merely leaving the power up
during a spin entry. Recovery is a little disconcerting at first but
straight forward. On releasing the back pressure on the stick, you'll find the
stick will not move toward neutral but will stay in the aft position. It
requires a push of about 3 lb. toward the neutral for the recovery. Took a
good half turn or more to recover. Been there done that. I've been told by
Tony Smith, that a nose on the horizon flat spin can be done "just make sure
you have lots of height."
There are a few guys out there who have "explored" the real range of the
CJ. They however don't prowl this list.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:21:11 AM PST US
From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Subject: A familiar bed
Well, I slept in a familiar bed with a familiar woman last night!
The flight from OSH to ILG where our condo and daughter's family lives, was
in almost perfectly clear skies. I took a bit of a short cut across the
waters of Lake Michigan because my nerves were bolstered by the new PFD
(personal floatation device) I was wearing. (Bought at a "last day" discount from
one of the venders.) The auto pilot worked great which reduced a lot of
fatigue that the heat more than made up for.
This was my 15th year at OSH. I've come the conclusion that for me its
about the people I have come to know there. The true heroes of aviation are
those volunteers who years after years run this thing. You can say what you
want to say about the high muck-a-ty- mucks whose names we all know, but real
driving force are the, Bills, Maties, Dave's, and Johns that keep the
things going. Most of them don't wear flight suits, but if you look under thier
skin, they are the bed rock of aviation. All of them are decent people on
top of that.
Lots of good stuff. All kinds of "apts" for I-pods, including a blue tooth
GPS antina. (And that is the limit of my techie know how.)
Saw Barrettes new electronic ignition system (still being tested).
Fell in LOVE with a 90% scale blue Spitfire from a kit guy in TX.
Saw a neat turbo prop engine (240hp).
Saw Dave Rider who along with a number of the DVT old CJ6 guys, are now
selling an ex RAF turbo prop trainer with a full boat of Gamin stuff.
A bunch of "greenie" electric airplanes were on show. (Sorry guys I just
don't believe the sky is falling)
Got a good insight from a S*******kie engineer on the new ABC proto type
helicopter (the fastest in the world). Pretty little machine BUT VERY
COMPLICATED)
All of our RPA flying went off with only little glites here and there. No
serious safety issues (not counting my near miss). One "Boner Award" will
be issued, however. One of our number took off for home without wearing his
flight suit. It somehow fell out of his airplane on takeoff, at a height
for ALL to see, requiring the runway to be closed for a few minutes while his
"FOD" was cleared. At least his name was not on it. HeHeHeHe, but I know
who he is and shall take advantage of it. Beers.
Well, I've got to look after a craped out radio, before I head to FL. BTW
don't bother buying a Adventure Pilot moving map and chart data base.
Worked for 5 hours than quit. Plus you can't see the display in a bright sunlit
cockpit.
A personal thanks to John Coxs, whom I and a number of other shared a very
nice house. To have a perfectly brewed cup of coffee SERVED to you each
morning - - - well I could marry a guy like that. - - - - - - - Well not
really!!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:50:23 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
From: Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com>
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <cjpilot710(at)aol.com> wrote:
> If I remember right the CJ-6 has been in an inverted flat spin. This was
> done at MTW a number of year ago by Sirgay with Keith Harbor in his CJ. I
> remember Keith's airplane coming back covered in oil.
>
> At the time Keith's plane was a standard 6A.
>
Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that one could keep the power up or that one
would WANT to keep the power up as oil pressure would go away in 5 seconds.
>
> You can flat spin a CJ quite easily positive by merely leaving the power up
> during a spin entry. Recovery is a little disconcerting at first but
> straight forward. On releasing the back pressure on the stick, you'll find
> the stick will not move toward neutral but will stay in the aft position.
> It requires a push of about 3 lb. toward the neutral for the recovery. Took
> a good half turn or more to recover. Been there done that. I've been told
> by Tony Smith, that a nose on the horizon flat spin can be done "just make
> sure you have lots of height."
>
The CJ6As that I have [tried to] spin did not stay in a spin. G forces and
airspeed built up so the aircraft was actually in a spiral. Could be CG was
too far forward.
If you can get the airplane to spin I would expect it would be able to
flat-spin. It is the inverted flat spin that threw me.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 09:55:25 AM PST US
From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com>
Subject: RE: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
I=92m surprised that the CJ only needs 3 pounds forward pressure.
In a flat spin you are descending vertically at quite a high speed,and
of
course the airflow will push the elevator up,and so the stick back.
The Yak 52 CAN need up to 90 pounds [yes,90!!] to get the stick forward
from
a well-developed flat spin,and will often need both hands.
Also,I=92m surprised that the CJ will recover in =BD a turn-if fully
developed
in the 52 it CAN be 3,and even 4!!
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: 01 August 2011 15:46
Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <cjpilot710(at)aol.com> wrote:
If I remember right the CJ-6 has been in an inverted flat spin. This
was
done at MTW a number of year ago by Sirgay with Keith Harbor in his CJ.
I
remember Keith's airplane coming back covered in oil.
At the time Keith's plane was a standard 6A.
Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that one could keep the power up or that
one
would WANT to keep the power up as oil pressure would go away in 5
seconds.
You can flat spin a CJ quite easily positive by merely leaving the power
up
during a spin entry. Recovery is a little disconcerting at first but
straight forward. On releasing the back pressure on the stick, you'll
find
the stick will not move toward neutral but will stay in the aft
position.
It requires a push of about 3 lb. toward the neutral for the recovery.
Took
a good half turn or more to recover. Been there done that. I've been
told
by Tony Smith, that a nose on the horizon flat spin can be done "just
make
sure you have lots of height."
The CJ6As that I have [tried to] spin did not stay in a spin. G forces
and
airspeed built up so the aircraft was actually in a spiral. Could be CG
was
too far forward.
If you can get the airplane to spin I would expect it would be able to
flat-spin. It is the inverted flat spin that threw me.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian(at)lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
--
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 12:09:05 PM PST US
From: Anne and Buddy Moman <amoman(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: New Email Address
I have a new email address. Please remove my Earthlink address from
your address book.
buddy.moman22(at)gmail.com
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 12:17:42 PM PST US
From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
In a message dated 8/1/2011 12:55:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com writes:
I=99m surprised that the CJ only needs 3 pounds forward pressure.
In a flat spin you are descending vertically at quite a high speed,and of
course the airflow will push the elevator up,and so the stick back.
The Yak 52 CAN need up to 90 pounds [yes,90!!] to get the stick forward
from a well-developed flat spin,and will often need both hands.
How much force may have been a "perceived" amount by me in my case. You
know - like in a sudden panic a man can left a car. It wasn't 90 lbs I'm
fairly certain.
Also,I=99m surprised that the CJ will recover in =C2=BD a turn-if ful
ly developed
in the 52 it CAN be 3,and even 4!!
In my particular case, I had inadvertently entered the spin and the spin
was not fully developed that's for sure. That may have been the reason for
the light stick push and the quicker recovery.
But here is one more for you. In 1972 at the World Acrobatic Competition
in England, I watched what I think was a German single seat Zlin, do a flat
spin. I don't remember who or which country the pilot represented and this
was not part of the competition but an exhibition for Prince Charles. He
entered it with the engine OFF and the prop stopped. This was the same yea
r
that the late Neal William (England's champ) landed his Zlin after the wing
had folded. The flat spin was fully developed and if I remember right he
entered and recovered from it with the prop stopped.
That was quite a day. I watched Bob Hernidean fly the length of the runway
inverted in a Pitts,
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What? Doug doesn't ?
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On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Skip Slyfield <norske.fly(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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Anybody know where I can get a QS-2 (brake)valve for my CJ? You can contact me off list.
Thanks
Skip Slyfield
Norske.fly(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
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> 1. 04:18 AM - Re: Re: Whirlwind Spinner (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 2. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)
> 3. 06:21 AM - A familiar bed (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)
> 4. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Brian Lloyd)
> 5. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Richard Goode)
> 6. 12:09 PM - New Email Address (Anne and Buddy Moman)
> 7. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)
> 8. 12:35 PM - Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Etienne Verhellen)
> 9. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Dr Andres Katz)
> 10. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (dabear)
> 11. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6 (Brian Lloyd)
> 12. 09:18 PM - Re: What oil types can be mixed on an M-14p? (javiercarrascob)
> 13. 10:10 PM - Re: G Tolerance and Hydration (Pete Fowler)
> 14. 11:04 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
> 15. 11:08 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:18:23 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: Whirlwind Spinner
>
> I have installed two of the new Whirlwind spinners. Both pilots have
> said the CHT has dropped slightly. Here's a couple of photos of one of
> them.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (cell)
> Skype: Yakguy1
> www.yak-52.com
>
>
> On 7/31/2011 11:16 PM, Warren Hill wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just got it on. Will let you know.
>>
>> Warren
>>
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:27 PM, CD 2.0 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wow... came out very nice !
>>>
>>> how has it improved performance?
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>>
>>> k7wx wrote:
>>>> Gents,
>>>>
>>>> A while ago there was interest in that new composite WhirlWind spinner, but
> no-one had seen one. Here it is, painted and with V530-WT composite blades on
> my CJ. The spinner is big, but very light weight and the workmanship is flawless.
>>>>
>>>> Warren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2011, at 6:07 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> $1500 USD plus shipping. Whirlwind is just starting to ship now. I don't
> know what their backlog is.
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/2011 6:39 PM, Didier BLOUZARD wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any info about price and availability?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didier Blouzard
>>>>>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 5 fvr. 2011 00:12, "A. Dennis Savarese" a crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug,
>>>>>>> I'll be installing one next week on a 52 which does have the shutters. It
> is designed to fit with the shutters, just like the Yak 18T spinner does when
> installed on a 52 or 18T.
>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/4/2011 1:40 PM, doug sapp wrote:
>>>>>>>> Keith,
>>>>>>>> Can this spinner be used with stock CJ type shutters? Or will we have
>>>>>>>> to bite the bullet for a iris system? Noticed no shutters in the photo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:16 AM, N642K>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a smaller picture
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329623#329623
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/cj_at_night_744.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>> rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com
>>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>> le, List Admin.
>>>>>>>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348227#348227
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:16:47 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
>
> If I remember right the CJ-6 has been in an inverted flat spin. This was
> done at MTW a number of year ago by Sirgay with Keith Harbor in his CJ. I
> remember Keith's airplane coming back covered in oil.
>
> At the time Keith's plane was a standard 6A.
>
> You can flat spin a CJ quite easily positive by merely leaving the power up
> during a spin entry. Recovery is a little disconcerting at first but
> straight forward. On releasing the back pressure on the stick, you'll find the
>
> stick will not move toward neutral but will stay in the aft position. It
> requires a push of about 3 lb. toward the neutral for the recovery. Took a
> good half turn or more to recover. Been there done that. I've been told by
> Tony Smith, that a nose on the horizon flat spin can be done "just make sure
> you have lots of height."
>
> There are a few guys out there who have "explored" the real range of the
> CJ. They however don't prowl this list.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:21:11 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com
> Subject: A familiar bed
>
> Well, I slept in a familiar bed with a familiar woman last night!
>
> The flight from OSH to ILG where our condo and daughter's family lives, was
> in almost perfectly clear skies. I took a bit of a short cut across the
> waters of Lake Michigan because my nerves were bolstered by the new PFD
> (personal floatation device) I was wearing. (Bought at a "last day" discount from
>
> one of the venders.) The auto pilot worked great which reduced a lot of
> fatigue that the heat more than made up for.
>
> This was my 15th year at OSH. I've come the conclusion that for me its
> about the people I have come to know there. The true heroes of aviation are
> those volunteers who years after years run this thing. You can say what you
> want to say about the high muck-a-ty- mucks whose names we all know, but real
> driving force are the, Bills, Maties, Dave's, and Johns that keep the
> things going. Most of them don't wear flight suits, but if you look under thier
>
> skin, they are the bed rock of aviation. All of them are decent people on
> top of that.
>
> Lots of good stuff. All kinds of "apts" for I-pods, including a blue tooth
> GPS antina. (And that is the limit of my techie know how.)
> Saw Barrettes new electronic ignition system (still being tested).
> Fell in LOVE with a 90% scale blue Spitfire from a kit guy in TX.
> Saw a neat turbo prop engine (240hp).
> Saw Dave Rider who along with a number of the DVT old CJ6 guys, are now
> selling an ex RAF turbo prop trainer with a full boat of Gamin stuff.
> A bunch of "greenie" electric airplanes were on show. (Sorry guys I just
> don't believe the sky is falling)
> Got a good insight from a S*******kie engineer on the new ABC proto type
> helicopter (the fastest in the world). Pretty little machine BUT VERY
> COMPLICATED)
>
> All of our RPA flying went off with only little glites here and there. No
> serious safety issues (not counting my near miss). One "Boner Award" will
> be issued, however. One of our number took off for home without wearing his
> flight suit. It somehow fell out of his airplane on takeoff, at a height
> for ALL to see, requiring the runway to be closed for a few minutes while his
> "FOD" was cleared. At least his name was not on it. HeHeHeHe, but I know
> who he is and shall take advantage of it. Beers.
>
> Well, I've got to look after a craped out radio, before I head to FL. BTW
> don't bother buying a Adventure Pilot moving map and chart data base.
> Worked for 5 hours than quit. Plus you can't see the display in a bright sunlit
>
> cockpit.
>
> A personal thanks to John Coxs, whom I and a number of other shared a very
> nice house. To have a perfectly brewed cup of coffee SERVED to you each
> morning - - - well I could marry a guy like that. - - - - - - - Well not
> really!!
>
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:50:23 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian(at)lloyd.com>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <cjpilot710(at)aol.com> wrote:
>
>> If I remember right the CJ-6 has been in an inverted flat spin. This was
>> done at MTW a number of year ago by Sirgay with Keith Harbor in his CJ. I
>> remember Keith's airplane coming back covered in oil.
>>
>> At the time Keith's plane was a standard 6A.
>>
>
> Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that one could keep the power up or that one
> would WANT to keep the power up as oil pressure would go away in 5 seconds.
>
>
>>
>> You can flat spin a CJ quite easily positive by merely leaving the power up
>> during a spin entry. Recovery is a little disconcerting at first but
>> straight forward. On releasing the back pressure on the stick, you'll find
>> the stick will not move toward neutral but will stay in the aft position.
>> It requires a push of about 3 lb. toward the neutral for the recovery. Took
>> a good half turn or more to recover. Been there done that. I've been told
>> by Tony Smith, that a nose on the horizon flat spin can be done "just make
>> sure you have lots of height."
>>
>
> The CJ6As that I have [tried to] spin did not stay in a spin. G forces and
> airspeed built up so the aircraft was actually in a spiral. Could be CG was
> too far forward.
>
> If you can get the airplane to spin I would expect it would be able to
> flat-spin. It is the inverted flat spin that threw me.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian(at)lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:55:25 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
>
> I=92m surprised that the CJ only needs 3 pounds forward pressure.
>
> In a flat spin you are descending vertically at quite a high speed,and
> of
> course the airflow will push the elevator up,and so the stick back.
>
> The Yak 52 CAN need up to 90 pounds [yes,90!!] to get the stick forward
> from
> a well-developed flat spin,and will often need both hands.
>
> Also,I=92m surprised that the CJ will recover in =BD a turn-if fully
> developed
> in the 52 it CAN be 3,and even 4!!
>
>
> Richard Goode
>
> Rhodds Farm
>
> Lyonshall
>
> Hereford
>
> HR5 3LW
>
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
>
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: 01 August 2011 15:46
> Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:13 AM, <cjpilot710(at)aol.com> wrote:
>
> If I remember right the CJ-6 has been in an inverted flat spin. This
> was
> done at MTW a number of year ago by Sirgay with Keith Harbor in his CJ.
> I
> remember Keith's airplane coming back covered in oil.
>
>
> At the time Keith's plane was a standard 6A.
>
>
> Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that one could keep the power up or that
> one
> would WANT to keep the power up as oil pressure would go away in 5
> seconds.
>
>
> You can flat spin a CJ quite easily positive by merely leaving the power
> up
> during a spin entry. Recovery is a little disconcerting at first but
> straight forward. On releasing the back pressure on the stick, you'll
> find
> the stick will not move toward neutral but will stay in the aft
> position.
> It requires a push of about 3 lb. toward the neutral for the recovery.
> Took
> a good half turn or more to recover. Been there done that. I've been
> told
> by Tony Smith, that a nose on the horizon flat spin can be done "just
> make
> sure you have lots of height."
>
>
> The CJ6As that I have [tried to] spin did not stay in a spin. G forces
> and
> airspeed built up so the aircraft was actually in a spiral. Could be CG
> was
> too far forward.
>
>
> If you can get the airplane to spin I would expect it would be able to
> flat-spin. It is the inverted flat spin that threw me.
>
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian(at)lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>
>
> --
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>
>
> Time: 12:09:05 PM PST US
> From: Anne and Buddy Moman <amoman(at)earthlink.net>
> Subject: New Email Address
>
> I have a new email address. Please remove my Earthlink address from
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> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:17:42 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Re: inverted flat spin CJ6
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2011 12:55:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com writes:
>
> I=99m surprised that the CJ only needs 3 pounds forward pressure.
> In a flat spin you are descending vertically at quite a high speed,and of
>
> course the airflow will push the elevator up,and so the stick back.
> The Yak 52 CAN need up to 90 pounds [yes,90!!] to get the stick forward
> from a well-developed flat spin,and will often need both hands.
> How much force may have been a "perceived" amount by me in my case. You
> know - like in a sudden panic a man can left a car. It wasn't 90 lbs I'm
>
> fairly certain.
>
> Also,I=99m surprised that the CJ will recover in =C2=BD a turn-if ful
> ly developed
> in the 52 it CAN be 3,and even 4!!
> In my particular case, I had inadvertently entered the spin and the spin
> was not fully developed that's for sure. That may have been the reason for
>
> the light stick push and the quicker recovery.
>
> But here is one more for you. In 1972 at the World Acrobatic Competition
>
> in England, I watched what I think was a German single seat Zlin, do a flat
>
> spin. I don't remember who or which country the pilot represented and this
>
> was not part of the competition but an exhibition for Prince Charles. He
>
> entered it with the engine OFF and the prop stopped. This was the same yea
> r
> that the late Neal William (England's champ) landed his Zlin after the wing
>
> had folded. The flat spin was fully developed and if I remember right he
>
> entered and recovered from it with the prop stopped.
>
> That was quite a day. I watched Bob Hernidean fly the length of the runway
>
> inverted in a Pitts,
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